Mages/most AP ruined

Zyrannosaurus·Sep 30, 2017·40 votes·2,282 views

As someone that ONLY get's joy out of playing mages/mage supports, this game is ruined for me. Might as well rename your game League of AD Legends. Smh.

44 Comments

Malicious MetalSep 30, 201735 votes

There are thee things that are infinite in this world: -The Universe -My devotion to Mordekaiser -And the amount of board whining over mages being "bad"

Newsflash, Mages aren't anywhere near bad, it's just that ADC's and support items have been powercreeped into monstrous proportions. We don't need to make everything broken or we'll end up with a vicious cycle of broken shit.

Also, this type of post does not help at all. Suggest fixes, don't whine.

PennsSep 30, 20172 votes

but if adcs and supports (and tanks item 1413 item 3193 item 3109 item 3190 item 3800 item 3083 ) are op, what does that make ap?

Malicious MetalSep 30, 20173 votes

Tanks aren't OP, they're doing what they're supposed to be doing "survive", but Knight's vow and locket turn them into secondary supports. Tanks being OP would mean that they deal too much damage and tank too hard, which they're not.

PennsSep 30, 20172 votes

The best top laners are tanks, best junglers are tanks, even the best mid laner in pro play is a tank and Rakan Alistar are played over enchanters (rakan aint an enchanter, he male hehe) + there are Thresh Braum so... I dunno about that.

DuskDaUmbreonSep 30, 20173 votes

Botlane meta is enchanters right now. It was tanks a few weeks ago.

heroikcSep 30, 20172 votes

Enchanters can be male; you're thinking of an enchantress.

SwiftKitten88Sep 30, 20175 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EupX5TwA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-09-30T17:03:53.731+0000)

There are thee things that are infinite in this world: -The Universe -My devotion to Mordekaiser -And the amount of board whining over mages being "bad"

Newsflash, Mages aren't anywhere near bad, it's just that ADC's and support items have been powercreeped into monstrous proportions. We don't need to make everything broken or we'll end up with a vicious cycle of broken shit.

Also, this type of post does not help at all. Suggest fixes, don't whine.

we are tried of providing suggestions we have done that for MONTHS

we all know the issue with OP AD items.. we all know that AP itemization is completely trash

and we know that with new runes AP start with around 15 less AP than we normally do.

and yet all the buffs are going to AD. its so blatantly biased toward it would be funny if it wasn't so damn annoying to deal with..

we are all TIRED of "repeating ourselves" over and over and having nothing done. the data is there im just tried of posted it.. i did that the first 5 months it was an issue. if you still cant figure out the issue then do some research..

heroikcSep 30, 20174 votes

So? Whining would just make Riot definitely ignore you and the changes you want would probably be ignored or delayed. Try a petition and send it to Riot. That may work better and would show you mean business.

Flawless FetusOct 1, 20171 votes

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we are tried of providing suggestions we have done that for MONTHS

we all know the issue with OP AD items.. we all know that AP itemization is completely trash

and we know that with new runes AP start with around 15 less AP than we normally do.

and yet all the buffs are going to AD. its so blatantly biased toward it would be funny if it wasn't so damn annoying to deal with..

we are all TIRED of "repeating ourselves" over and over and having nothing done. the data is there im just tried of posted it.. i did that the first 5 months it was an issue. if you still cant figure out the issue then do some research..

Do you know that most of the top 10 wr champs are mates, though? Lol.

SwiftKitten88Oct 1, 20171 votes

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Do you know that most of the top 10 wr champs are mates, though? Lol.

i am assuming you mean to say "mages"... but https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/platinum/by-winrate

thats plat +

but you can choose any elo u want... the ONLY mage in there is Anivia

PaffWasTakenOct 1, 20173 votes

you have the choice between an ADC and an APC in the present meta. which one do you choose? ADC! you have to compose a duo of carry champs, do you want one to be ap and other one AD, both AD or both AP? Both AD! you have the choice between a team balanced among every scaling, a team solely scaling with AD, and a team solely scaling with ap, which one do you choose? FULL AD! The present meta dosen't even ALLOW AP scaling to be good outside of support champs. Asking people to stop whining about mages and propose changes is kinda weird, since there's three other things in this world that are infinite: -the number of posts proposing changes to AP scaling, itemisation and out-of game AP advantages -riot's stubbornness -the number of people who don't understand the game's iminent problems So yeah, mages aren't anywhere near good. Of course, it dépends of your point of view: if you are someone solely playing melee bruisers or tanks, you'll indeed find mages pretty usefull and good, but whenever you pick Something to deal damage, theres ABSOLUTELY NO advantages to pick AP over AD. Even utility for mages is kinda limited, you just pick CC tanks or a second support to be anywhere near usefull for the whole team. Before, when mages were godlike, you didn't see more than 2 mages in games (even with the Ziggs botlane meta). Now that AD is privilieged, you can litterally say "f[]ck off" and make a whole team without anything dealing magic damage. Finally, those posts do help: higher the number of threads complaining about Something, higher the chances that Riot will realise they f[]cked up. Making full documentaries on how the game is and how it should be fixed has no utility at all: most of the time the devs ignore it and even when they do, they don't take anything from player advices when it comes to make actual changes (most of the time, theres still some exceptions), it's not our job to fix the game, but its ours to yell whenever everything is falling apart. We don't need to invest into quality when it comes to ask for changes, quantity is far more efficient and complaining about people who follows this concept is pretty idiotic actually (no insults). sorry for the bad English, but i'm tilted right now

AimléssOct 1, 20171 votes

Don't forget about the 4th thing, people bitching about ADC.

HensetsuSep 30, 20179 votes

I dunno man.

Ap Itemization sucks but Mages on a whole are still pretty good.

This MIGHT sound crazy, but I actually found it easier to carry Mid than ADC.

First of all I'm not getting 4 manned.

Second of all it's a 1 vs 1 lane and I'm not relying on someone else to help me win lane, every ADC main knows the joy of playing with an autofill Support vs a Support main.

Thirdly, I can actually roam to help a different lane win. I'm not limited to staying bot until either I take the tower and roam, or have my tower taken and afk push for 10-15 minutes.

Fourthly, summoner 3 . What a beautiful summoner spell to use in the middle of a teamfight right on top of the fed ADC.

KomoririSep 30, 20177 votes

7 strong AP champs? Please enlighten me.

We're not talking about toplaners or ap tanks here, but actual damage focused mages played on the midlane, right?

Buttigieg 2020Sep 30, 20173 votes

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7 strong AP champs? Please enlighten me.

We're not talking about toplaners or ap tanks here, but actual damage focused mages played on the midlane, right?

Cassiopeia Kassadin Taliyah Syndra Ryze Orianna Malzahar

NiaphimSep 30, 20172 votes

Replace Malz with Veigar and this is correct.

koshkyraSep 30, 20173 votes

or both

SnaketitsSep 30, 20171 votes

Cass isn't good anymore, the 7.18 nerfs harmed her very hard. She's down to a 46% winrate and can't contribute anymore to the current 25 minute meta since she's entirely lategame dependent now.

NineTailedMysticSep 30, 20173 votes

Like she's supposed to be as a hard scaling champ instead of hard bullying early game like an AP Pantheon?

SnaketitsSep 30, 20173 votes

If you can't secure a lead within the first 25 minutes of this game, you're playing an unviable champion. That's how the current meta works. There's no lategame anymore.

NineTailedMysticOct 1, 20172 votes

And that's the meta's fault, not Cass's. She shouldn't be buffed to fit the early game meta, rather the meta should be shifted to long matches once more for champions to get to hit late game.

SnaketitsOct 1, 20171 votes

I sincerely doubt Riot will ever take that direction again. The last 2 seasons were a clear indicator of this trend with games becoming stompier and shorter. All of their changes within those last couple of years were aimed at making it easier to get into a game right away while also making matches a lot quicker to finish. Lategame champs who are unable to secure early leads are as good as unplayable now.

ZapMyHeartOct 1, 20172 votes

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Like she's supposed to be as a hard scaling champ instead of hard bullying early game like an AP Pantheon?

Just like ADCs are supposed to be a hard scaling champ instead of pushing out mid mages for their roles in mid game?

KomoririOct 1, 20171 votes

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[sg-lulu]

CatastropSep 30, 20176 votes

Oh my god, this is why the boards hates mage mains.

TheHappyReaperzSep 30, 20176 votes

How are mages ruined? Cause OP explains stuff about as well as my blind dog trying to fetch.

TyrekGoldenspearSep 30, 20175 votes

I mean. Mages are still good.

What do you want, to be able to oneshot all who stand in your path?

PennsSep 30, 20173 votes

no there are around 7 strong ap champs in this game so its fine hehe

GlîtchySep 30, 20173 votes

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no there are around 7 strong ap champs in this game so its fine hehe

Only 7 good mages? What so the rest are all AD, tanks, Assassins, etc.

Sounds balanced, considering only 7 mages are good out of the entire roster

Best princess EUSep 30, 20174 votes

anivia malzahar syndra ori ahri TF taliyah vel'koz veigar ziggs kassadin and brand in next patch

that's enough mages that are viable

good day sir

AhrisSep 30, 20171 votes

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anivia malzahar syndra ori ahri TF taliyah vel'koz veigar ziggs kassadin and brand in next patch

that's enough mages that are viable

good day sir

AD mids are stronger than those viable mids though and that was the point of the thread. Also remove Ahri from that list.

Best princess EUSep 30, 20173 votes

except ad mid are worse win rate wise, lucian is the only one who's a common pick, talon is the only one with a win rate matching mages

the only one i'm removing is you by putting you in the black list

good day sir

AhrisSep 30, 20171 votes

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except ad mid are worse win rate wise, lucian is the only one who's a common pick, talon is the only one with a win rate matching mages

the only one i'm removing is you by putting you in the black list

good day sir

Oh there is a black list option? Never knew this boards had such tech.

Also you don't need to tell me that you are black listing me.

NineTailedMysticSep 30, 20171 votes

It's a thing on the Boards Enhancement Kit made by Tundra Fizz.

PennsSep 30, 20171 votes

i said strong tho, not viable hehe

top theres only tanks and some carries like camille and jax, 0 ap champs, maybe rumble but not really because adaptive helm

jungle only tanks and elise got nerfed

mid you got some ap champs but Galio is literally the best one so far at worlds and Lucian Corki Jayce are played more than 90% of the ap champs in this game xd

support 0 and adc.. morde? lel

Best princess EUSep 30, 20173 votes

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mid you got some ap champs but is literally the best one so far at worlds and

we're not playing at world

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Lucian Corki Jayce are played more than 90% of the ap champs in this game xd

no one cares about them, corki has 3% pick rate, jayce mid has 2.6% pick rate, and lucian is the only one you have the right to complain about because he's common mid, but trash because this isn't world and his win rate mid is terrible

PennsSep 30, 20172 votes

well if were talking about soloq.. pretty much everything is viable and they arent gonna abuse tanks or another adc mid as well.

but if 50% of mid laners at worlds so far are AD champs and the best one is a tank because he beats every other laner... that kinda means something, doesnt it? xd

Wildlife1Oct 1, 20171 votes

I gave up on league players, you should too. If their meta is strong they'll deny everything and try to bash any comment. If the pros and higher ranks arent seeing that many ap carries it does mean something. It means that AP is weak and we are better of by having and ADC, Assassin, Tank or support in mid, than an actual mage there.

DonatellaVersaceSep 30, 20173 votes

Considering mages do have the least diverse build path, it is a fair statement to say that mages are not given the same treatment when it comes to AD champions.

PePsiLemoNNSep 30, 20173 votes

So quit. Bye , LITERALLY (yes literally) nobody cares

DJMason88Sep 30, 20172 votes

Idk what you're talking about, i play almost strictly Syndra and other mages mid in ranked and are still doing pretty well. ADC's and some enchanters are stronger, yes, but you act like Mages are useless.

SwiftKitten88Sep 30, 20172 votes

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Idk what you're talking about, i play almost strictly Syndra and other mages mid in ranked and are still doing pretty well. ADC's and some enchanters are stronger, yes, but you act like Mages are useless.

lol yeah of course you say that.. Syndra is one of the few champsions that actually WORKS with the current AP items

her and Orianna are by far the 2 most viabale ap mid laners in the game at the moment..

and i know i played them both too.

but having 2 viable champsion donest not make ap mid lane "balanced" or fair

especially when those two "viabale champsions arn't even "better than even a normal ADC"

even 8 mages mid lane is trash if ONLY those eight are viabale dependon reworks and stuff

there are between thirty and 40 ap mid laners there are between 2-5 AD mid laners the fatc is right now the anount of ADC's mid is larger than the amount of viabale AP mid laners.. that's just flat out pathetic

DuskDaUmbreonSep 30, 20172 votes

Ahri Cassiopeia Ekko Leblanc Taliyah and Kassadin all work at all levels, assuming you have enough skill to not fuck up. All have seen pro play within the past two months.

And nearly every mage is viable in Bronze-Silver. Just be half-competent on them and you win.

That's more than 2. That's 8 viable at all ELOs. Meanwhile, only about 6 ADCs are viable...

Edit: Malzahar is also viable at all ELOs. I just missed him.

KrytoricOct 1, 20171 votes

Mages are fine lol, they're pretty much all i play in mid now and they're so fun and do so much damage. i have no idea what people are talking about when they say AP champions suck.