morde is a MAGE not a juggernaught. you mains have to realize he cant get buffed

FallenAngel16··2 votes·716 views

morde in his current state is a bit more than 50% winrate. all the mages saw a winrate drop since the rylais nerf, morde isnt alone

you cant really buff mordes kit much without creating an imbalance. morde is a tankbusting "juggernaught mage". even though riot called him a juggernaught in the juggernaught rework, hes not truly a pure juggernaught

morde is a "juggernaught mage" is how i would describe his kit

in moba games, you create a champions kit that seems like it flows well and has interesting synergy, and then you balance the numbers and the power budget to give it a 50% winrate

thats what riot did with morde, created the kit, and balanced the numbers to give it a 50% winrate

and what you have after everything is done is NOT a juggernaught. even though riot called morde a juggernaught, hes not, hes more of a "melee mage" or a "juggernaught mage"

and i think that is a fine balanced design. its fun. morde is kinda the only "juggernaught mage" in league. and its fun for him to keep that niche

heres what i mean by a "juggernaught mage". morde is a melee mage because unlike true juggernaughts (garen darius) morde has ranged damage, and alot of it. darius/garen are basically melee only

and unlike a true mage, morde is melee, and morde has shields / massive melee damage instead of CC. other mages have CC to punish nearby targets that try to gapclose his teams ADC, while morde instead has his Q for massive melee damage to punish neary targets that gapclose his teams ADC.

So other mages have ranged autoattacks and slightly longer range, morde gets a shield. other mages have CC, morde gets a massive-damage Q that just kills nearby targets instead CCing them. morde just "kills" targets for his adc with Q, instead of "peeling with cc". and if no targets try to gapclose, morde still has E and R for massive ranged damage

mordes power budge has most of his power in E and R. E and R are mordes most useful abilities, Q is more like his "CC in the form of massive damage".

mordes E is very reliable and high aoe damage on a low cooldown, that also provides him alot of shielding

mordes R is basically "i click this, and you get deleted" lategame with a full damage build. and that is mordes power

mordes power is he can press R on the enemy TANK lategame, and delete their TANK. and tanks are the most valuable class in league, so mordes power to DELETE THE ENEMY TANK on a longrange point click instant spell is extremely valuable to a team. most of mordes power is in his R, and its ability to essentially turn a fight from a 5v5 into a 4v5.

mordes ability to nearly delete the enemy tank with a instant click longrange point click spell is what allows him to win half of his games in plat+ games where skill levels are equal amount teams

you really cant buff mordes numbers much anywhere without creating an imbalance. you people trying to "chase" and "stick to targets" with morde are playing him wrong. the way you play morde is you farm, then you group 5v5 with your team at level 16 and press "r" on the enemy tank with a full AP build and delete him. making the fight a 4v5

and when the fights a 4v5 and the enemy team lost their tank but you have your tank, its kind of a free win for your team

i truly dont feel you can buff mordes numbers without creating a imbalance that would quickly have to be fixed. morde is POWERFUL in his current state. morde is a MAGE first, juggernaught second. morde is leagues only "melee mage" currently. (rumbles sort of there too i guess. but the straight damage to 1 target is less than morde. but rumble has more aoe) mordes strongest combat contribution to his team is as a mage that deletes the enemy tankline and outputs tons of ranged damage.

mordes Q is his "cc", its not his identity

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BastionKross4 votes

First, about winrates. You can't just look at a champion's winrate, see it's 50%, and assume they're balanced. That's not how it works, and that's not how it will ever work. You must take other factors into account when you look at winrates; one of the most important being pickrate. Champions with a high pickrate tend to go below 50% because they're constantly getting played by new players to the champ, and it drags the winrate down.

Hence why Yasuo, one of the most popular and consistently picked champs in League, has a sub 50% winrate (as his mains are quick to point out) and is also getting nerfed soon (as Riot is quick to point out).

The opposite is also true. If a champ is very unpopular and has a low pickrate, the winrate tends to go up because only dedicated mains play the champ. Galio has a around a 53% winrate, and Riot considers him unviable enough to rework him completely from the ground up.

Knowing that, let's take a look at Morde's 50% winrate again while taking into account his low pickrate of around 0.6%. That pickrate is so low it makes the Titanic look like a spaceship, so naturally we would assume his winrate to be high because only his mains are playing him. But it's not, it's barely hanging on to average.

What that tells us is that even players who main Morde can't win with him often enough. If Morde truly was balanced, his winrate should be much higher than it is now. Morde is not balanced, Morde is not powerful, and Morde needs help.

Secondly, if we assume Morde is a mage he's the worst designed mage in the game. And yes, I know Azir still exists.

Morde sacrifices range, one of the most powerful advantages in the game, for lots of shields and a kit that has to stay within relatively close range to a target to apply damage. This is similar to a few other champions, mainly Swain and Singed, who do a lot of their damage in close range as well. However, unlike those two, Morde doesn't have any CC and very little mobility so he has a much harder time applying his damage. This also means Morde brings no utility to his team; if Singed and Swain fall behind they can still be helpful, but if Morde can't do damage he does nothing.

Morde is a hybrid juggernaut. He kills anything that he stands next to (marksmen, mages, tanks, bruises, etc.) but needs his team to help him stand next to people. He can be really hard to bring down, but can also be kited to infinity and beyond.

However, Morde is a horrible juggernaut because his kit is being held together with dental floss and shame. His stats and abilities were designed to be taken bot lane, but when he dominated Worlds last year the balance team nuked his numbers and essentially deleted him from the game for a few months. After that, he was given token pity buffs and his kit was half-assedly changed around so that he could solo lane again.

And that's how we get the Morde of today: An underpowered champion with a Frankenstein's Monster of a kit and a niche so unfocused that some players aren't even sure what class of champion he is supposed to be anymore.

Fun Fact: Did you know that Riot purposefully classified Morde as a marksman, and that they wanted to change his title to "The Lord of Death" despite the name Mordekaiser meaning "The Lord of Death"? Thank god Malicious Metal and other Morde mains raised enough hell to get those put right.

Revali2 votes

morde as a juggernaut is a lot more fitting for a giant suit of haunted armor than this magic wraith who just flings spells hoping its enough to kill you.

FallenAngel161 votes

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morde as a juggernaut is a lot more fitting for a giant suit of haunted armor than this magic wraith who just flings spells hoping its enough to kill you.

i personally feel the design of a giant juggernaught of magic metal that is a unstoppable "melee mage" that outputs tons of ranged damage is VERY FUN DESIGN

i like the current morde alot

i know the reworks coming. and ill be sad when it comes

cuz i like the current mordes design alot

ACENOX2 votes

Don't tell me what morde is and what he is not

I don't care if mages drop in win rate, they deserved it anyway they are ten billion time more cancerous than morde, and overpowered no one else is played in mid lane.

Morde isn't related to this, and new Rylai destroyed the shit out of him

less hp less damage less slow(i don't care about this anyway)

i used to be a threat to everyone when i had Rylai damage wise, but this patch broke my damage entirely i can't do shit about this.

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you cant really buff mordes kit much without creating an imbalance.

in fact you can, you just have to give him more hp/lvl and increase his base ms to 340.

h67vmUFdfz1 votes

Your so behind. Morde is getting a complete rework this season -

WAKE YOUR GAME UP

FallenAngel161 votes

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Your so behind. Morde is getting a complete rework this season -

WAKE YOUR GAME UP

yes he is i know

and i dislike the rework idea cuz itll probably destroy the current "mage morde" which is very fun for me

either way. the "current" morde cant get buffed, its winrate is at a solid 50%

however. when mordes reworked (with power shifting and a new kit) sure itll be a totally new champ and probably wont be a "mage" anymore

h67vmUFdfz1 votes

Essential his rework is said to be similar to that of fiora's & Yorick

Mordepool1 votes

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Your so behind. Morde is getting a complete rework this season -

WAKE YOUR GAME UP

Post a link to your source of information. I've been asking riot when is his Rework and have just been stonewalled

FallenAngel161 votes

ah for morde builds

id say best build is likely currently zzrot, rylai, liandry, void staff, deathcap, ludens, iron elixir

with deathfire touch, natural talent, fearless, runic armor, +5% armor, magic penn

this full damage build will nearly delete the enemy tank lategame with just your R. its cray strong. the deathfire will be doing over 40 damage per second so its decent scaling

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Isn't it better to r the enemy carry?

Just asking.

P A C C S U1 votes

Dumbest thread I have read for a while.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

the two arent contradictions.

depending how you look at it, you could call garen or illaoi a physical damage mage (ad caster). a lot of juggernauts are spell based, while some are auto attack focused.

but i think what you were getting at was his ap focus in itemization. i think thats not entirely true though, since the current morde is more of a hybrid champion, expected to build a mix of ad bruiser items and some ap items like rylais for some extra utility mixed in. imo he kinda suffers from that at the same time due to general itemization changes.

LordGeovanni1 votes

he has more power than both and more tankyness just that he is avoided harder than any other character because he is so glareingly powerful and you have to throw all your damage and cc for the team on morde at the same time

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