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What actually is the counterplay to a fed Vi or Hecarim?

Exalomaniac·1/8/2017, 12:19:48 AM·5 votes·1,891 views

I know ADC mains are being rejected more than usual during this time of the season because most of us go on the boards to complain about things like being oneshotted by "tanks" when you have no defense items whatsoever.

But i am searching for tips on how to deal with Burst/Sustained damage dealers like , ,or .

Especially the first two have abilites with the potential to completely wreck your face in less than two seconds if they have more than 4 kills. In lategame i dont know how to deal with these threats during the chaos of a teamfight on often end up getting flash-ulted and get sent to death immediately. During lategame i often encounter the problem that if i dont go 6 offensive items i have no chance of being useful and defensive items like or not making much difference in the speed i die. Any tips to deal with the extreme burst of these champs except for "git gud" and "dodge"? (Considering Vi has a point and click burst)

24 Comments

Variks the Loyal1/8/2017, 1:13:42 AM2 votes

If any champion is fed, they are just as oppressive as Hecarim and Vi. Name any jungler - ANY. If they get fed, they will be just as oppressive.

So yes, the counterplay is to not feed. When you see a Vi or Hecarim locked in, prepare. Get extra wards and play extra safe during the laning phase. Don't push, and starve them of ganks. This will also make it easier for your jungler to gank for you.

If you give them the kill, it's too late. That's how it is with most Divers and Assassins. So the counterplay is to not give them the kill.

Eedat1/8/2017, 12:45:30 AM2 votes

The counterplay is to group up and take them down. Why would you get to beat a 4/0 champ when you're 0/2 in a 1v1? That wouldnt be fair

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1/8/2017, 1:27:40 AM2 votes

hmm DONT FEED THEM ?

it usually is the best solution

TheFallenShaw1/8/2017, 12:25:03 AM2 votes

Starving them... Shouldn't of fed them in the first place. Also if you click that little report button, there's an option to select feeding. Since feeding is against the rules a vi or hec should never become fed.

Weathered1/8/2017, 1:23:47 AM1 votes

For Vi,

item 3157 Fizz Bard Elise Maokai Camille etc. Bait her ult, use your removal/invulnerable move, now she is in the back line of your team and will most likely be face tanking an incoming cc. Burst her down.

Kilanost1/8/2017, 1:32:02 AM1 votes

Rammus

Troy2426211/8/2017, 2:14:52 AM1 votes

Positioning far enough back that she would need to overextend to dive you. It sucks, but she has the "true damage" of the CC world: point click, can't be stopped and ignores tenacity. You don't have many other options.

Hecarim is just a bullshit champion but I'd still advise the same thing. There's no peeling a Hecarim ult off of you, and if you're in ult range you're probably getting ulted, especially if he's fed.

TheFallenShaw1/8/2017, 2:33:47 AM1 votes

There are only 2 champions that can counter play anyone Just 2 Teemo with his stash of Shrooms and blinding darts and The Master of Counter Play Himself Shaco Who will make them think he's on bot while taking top inhib.

Troy2426211/8/2017, 2:35:03 AM1 votes

To everyone saying don't feed them, you're overlooking the very real possibility that the jungler got fed off of other lanes and the ADC still gets punished for he, and he/she is asking how to respond.

PhantomGG1/8/2017, 12:36:30 AM1 votes

Honestly the counter play is to completely change your game plan in how you play the game.

For example, Vi is not the best one v one champion, even when she is fed.

A 2 and 0 vayne, can still beat a 5 and 0 Vi if the vayne plays it correctly. Simply due to the fact, Vi while being DECENT at one v ones, is by far, NOT THE BEST one v oner.

So finding vi by herself and killing her, with your own stats, or a teamate to help you out, will remove her from the up and comeing team fight.

Another option is to find her teamates, and kill them before she can help. Vi is a champion who says.

"im going to find the enemy adc or mid laner, cc the hell out of them, and you guys will cover me and finish them off"

If vi has no team to help her out, than her cc is now meaningless.

So option 1

Kill Vi when she is by herself since she is not the best 1 v 1 champion

Option 2

Kill 1 or 2 of Vis teamates before she can help them, so now her ult loses effectiveness in the next team fight.

hunterspec1/8/2017, 1:15:49 AM1 votes

item 3140

legionnaire991/8/2017, 1:19:08 AM1 votes

that's about it