People complain about Orianna doing way too much damage for the utility she offers

SpaghettiVase·May 28, 2017·3 votes·1,151 views

Yet full AP Karma is completely okay?

11 Comments

AhristocatsMay 28, 20175 votes

full ap karma in no way has as much damage as orianna

orianna has a hyper carry lvl of damage with those non-existant CD and enchanted Auto-attacks

morris1May 28, 20174 votes

Karma Q can still be blocked. Ori Q can go through everyone and stop just in the middle of the enemy carries for an RW demoliton.

IxtaliKingMay 29, 20174 votes

Utility is not the problem with Orianna, it's the amount of damage she has and her low CDs, as well as not being gated enough by mana. I think this is mostly systemic changes that have done this to her over time, because she's usually quite balanced.

Full AP Karma on the other hand is not a problem. Her RQ can one shot if you get hit by both parts (which shouldn't happen unless you're locked down), and her RE sacrifes all her damage in a role that pretty much revolves around dealing damage. AP Karma gets the most optimal use of her kit, but it's not the most optimal way to play her.

ChaddyFantomeMay 30, 20172 votes

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Utility is not the problem with Orianna, it's the amount of damage she has and her low CDs,

I can see where you are coming from.

as well as not being gated enough by mana.

aaaaaand ya lost me.

IxtaliKingMay 30, 20171 votes

I think that most mages aren't really gated enough by mana early game tbh, not just her.

ChaddyFantomeMay 30, 20171 votes

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I think that most mages aren't really gated enough by mana early game tbh, not just her.

Orianna is one of the few mages that has no mana saving/regain mechanic but has high mana costs.

Orianna is actually very mana consumptive compared to most other mages. Even with item 3165 she is susceptible to going oom unlike most others if the fight goes on more than a few seconds, and unlike Syndra or Veigar doesn't have the option to just press R on someone xD

IxtaliKingMay 30, 20171 votes

Okay, I'm wrong.

VoraciousXMay 28, 20173 votes

Karma Q is only good early game. Late game it's just an annoyance and there's no way a Karma's gonna be sitting there one shotting someone with a mantra Q.

I do think Orianna is a lane bully and kinda does do a lot of damage considering her ult is mostly used as a nuke, though I don't really complain that much about it. I do agree though. Karma is totally different. Do I hate Karma Mantra>Qing me for about half my health early game? Hell yeah. Do I think she needs to be nerfed? Not really, I think item 3107 and other heal+shield power stat items shouldn't exist, or should have their heal+shield power removed, because they give Karma the ability to spam her Qs relentlessly while also giving her 40% CDR, they make her able to shield someone for a full HP bar if the right items are built, etc etc.