Can We Please Give Fizz Counterplay?

RIP Resonance··4 votes·800 views

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increase the cooldown on playful trickster reduce the width of his massive ult reduce the ap scaling on his ult from where it is currently at 100%

This champion is toxic and unfair. It has ruined my league experience. I am reluctant to continue playing because this dumbass fish can flop on you every 4 seconds at max CDR, which, since he's an AP champion, you're going to be building that in most of your items.

19 Comments

Magical Zoe7 votes

I hope to god that this is bait... "Massive ult"...are you gonna say that thresh's ult is massive as well?

RIP Resonance1 votes

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I hope to god that this is bait... "Massive ult"...are you gonna say that thresh's ult is massive as well?

His ult hitbox is fucking massive, probably the most fat missile in this game. Bigger than morgana Q, and travels quickly.

Magical Zoe3 votes

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His ult hitbox is fucking massive, probably the most fat missile in this game. Bigger than morgana Q, and travels quickly.

Leona Thresh beg to differ. Both of their hooks are worse than fizz's ult.

WinBoat6 votes

I thought Fizz had counterplay. It means when he pops his E, you get out and bait it until he is down and burst him. Pretty simple to do early game. Late game when he has movement speed and everything else, hes hard to deal with but even then, I've mastered the art of letting him get off his troll pole and then go hard on him.

Git gud

RIP Resonance1 votes

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I thought Fizz had counterplay. It means when he pops his E, you get out and bait it until he is down and burst him. Pretty simple to do early game. Late game when he has movement speed and everything else, hes hard to deal with but even then, I've mastered the art of letting him get off his troll pole and then go hard on him.

Git gud

Until you get instakilled and he gets to walk away from the fight for free because he can press E, use hourglass and spam laugh because there's zero counterplay from him.

Fizz is unbalanced and there is no getting around it. Fizz main.

Penns6 votes

Are you by any chance a Sky Williams fan? kek

RIP Resonance1 votes

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Are you by any chance a Sky Williams fan? kek

I do enjoy Sky Williams, but this champion should not exist. Why is this the only champion with a basic ability on a four second cooldown that can press E and win while being untargetable. Literally this champion is toxic, just like your post.

Penns3 votes

You mean 4.4 sec cooldown when its maxed and with 45% cdr which no one gets because the only cdr item Fizz builds is item 3100 and maybe item 3158 sometimes? So he has to wait 4.7 or 3.9 seconds to use E again after E + Zhonyas.

Yosuke Apperu4 votes

Why is this the only champion with a basic ability on a four second cooldown that can press E and win while being untargetable. Literally this champion is toxic, just like your post.

At rank 5 with 45% CDR he's still slightly above 4 seconds :P. So if he maxes E first, then the soonest it can be on "4 second cool down" is with 45% cdr at level 9.

Stop using your CC on him BEFORE he uses his E and keep your distance. If he wants to close the gap he has to use his e to get to you into his Q. So AFTER he uses his E, use your CC. Especially if playing a champion like lux, you land a binding and he's dead. Talon is a fun skill match up, taking Quinn mid against Fizz is also a funny match up. Ekko could probably do well against fizz as well.

Who are you playing against fizz as? Have you built any mr? Hell if worse comes to worse just take galio into him and when he qs into you, ult.

RIP Resonance1 votes

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At rank 5 with 45% CDR he's still slightly above 4 seconds :P. So if he maxes E first, then the soonest it can be on "4 second cool down" is with 45% cdr at level 9.

Stop using your CC on him BEFORE he uses his E and keep your distance. If he wants to close the gap he has to use his e to get to you into his Q. So AFTER he uses his E, use your CC. Especially if playing a champion like lux, you land a binding and he's dead. Talon is a fun skill match up, taking Quinn mid against Fizz is also a funny match up. Ekko could probably do well against fizz as well.

Who are you playing against fizz as? Have you built any mr? Hell if worse comes to worse just take galio into him and when he qs into you, ult.

I was playing ADC Ezreal. There was nothing I could do. He'd just gap close on me, press R, then E away for free. I tried using my E to get away and flashing, but the ult hitbox is fucking massive. As a tank, sure I think Fizz has a bad time, but when your team can't peel for you and he gap closes to you, no matter where you position yourself it's game over.

Yosuke Apperu3 votes

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I was playing ADC Ezreal. There was nothing I could do. He'd just gap close on me, press R, then E away for free. I tried using my E to get away and flashing, but the ult hitbox is fucking massive. As a tank, sure I think Fizz has a bad time, but when your team can't peel for you and he gap closes to you, no matter where you position yourself it's game over.

How did he gap close to you without his E...

IcyPepper1 votes

"E... and then Q?"

Penns1 votes

What? Thats crazy!

COFOUNDER5 votes

Punish him early game. He's melee and his pre-level 6 isn't overly strong unless you have a squishy jello champ mid.

RIP Resonance1 votes

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Punish him early game. He's melee and his pre-level 6 isn't overly strong unless you have a squishy jello champ mid.

His passive essentially makes him immune to minion agro and basic attacks. 9 times out of 10 the mid lane DPS is going to be squishy. You cannot punish his early game without having a jungler with early game presure sitting on top of your lane.

LaughingMan113 votes

Play Cass or Malz, drop your rather large AoE under him when he troll polls, proceed to kick his face in because he pretty much has to land on it before doing anything else. Also, if you time malz wall well enough you can silence him as he lands from his E as well making any further attempts at damage rather futile as you ult him in the face while hes silenced. Cass can also ult him if he tries to go in on you rather effectively, and then you burst him down while he has to wait for his ult to go off.

KazaJhodo2 votes

I think the fix would be to make the troll poll only move in one direction. Currently you can engage and disengage with it or vise versa. If fizz had to either commit or escape with it, it would offer good counter play, and he wouldn't be able to just escape from anything.

Currently if fizz wants to do anything the answer is e. Escape, attack, doesn't matter, you don't have to think to hard about it, just e away or in. Still in trouble? q, still? wtf, flash.

There is plenty of counterplay to him, but there is also a reason why hes a low elo wonder. Super easy to play and powerful with range and a kit that makes up for nearly any blunder. Perfect for bronze.

RIP Resonance1 votes

Well, seeing by the overwhelming amount of downvoites I've received. This community is shit, and I'm ashamed to be a part of it. The community is blind. Fizz is fucking broken, and there's no getting around it. But hey, I guess Fizz mains need their freelo. God forbid they use a balanced champion to climb the ladder.

Tundra Fizz4 votes

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Well, seeing by the overwhelming amount of downvoites I've received. This community is shit, and I'm ashamed to be a part of it. The community is blind. Fizz is fucking broken, and there's no getting around it. But hey, I guess Fizz mains need their freelo. God forbid they use a balanced champion to climb the ladder.

(◡‿◡✿) Lol you actually think Fizz is broken and you're mad for people telling you the truth in this thread; try learning the game bud (◡‿◡✿)

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