Remember that one time Riot hired a single silver to make the jungle more dynamic, and we got plants

Derfel·Mar 14, 2017·5 votes·1,266 views

haha good times

41 Comments

MoetaroMar 14, 20176 votes

I dont like plants. I just pop them for no reason so that any enemy cant get lucky enough to scape alive from a bad play.

Plus, vision plants I cant really use them to spot wards in the enemy territory, since I'm spotting my own position if I do so, I have to pop them pointing to the useless direction, so most of the time they are, well, useless. You think it's a bad idea? I cant count how many ganks I've avoided just because the enemy jungler wanted to see if there was a ward or not, "there wasnt dude! thank you for telling me you're on your way! see you in the next gank, yolo".

Spicy RiceMar 14, 20174 votes

Ok so

A. Denying plants adds a strategic aspect o the game, which IMO is good

B. Now that they know you have 0 wards, what's to stop them coming 1-2 mins later, instead of immediately?

MoetaroMar 14, 20172 votes

A) There's no strategy in an "only one choice" strategy (destroying the plants for no reason to avoid lucky strikes).

B) My ward cd comming back? was it a trick question?

Spicy RiceMar 15, 20171 votes

The strategy comes from eithe denying it from enemies, or saving it for future use for yourself.

Also, if you had no wards down, then you would have 1 ward at most regenerating in the next min or 2. Unless you're sitting botlane and are forcing your support to ward everything, you can't have everything covered, which is why it's worth hitting the vision plant to check for watds

JorenciceMar 14, 20175 votes

Are you saying they havent made things dynamic?

I use plants differently almost every game.

DerfelMar 14, 20173 votes

If we're using that as the dynamo metric I guess they should just revert the edge of night nerfs, or better yet give it 800 ad then it would be used every game by everyone even more so than it already was. True dynamicism.

JorenciceMar 14, 20173 votes

Dynamic means to change.

And the plants do infact change the game and make it different from every game.

Some games ive stolen dragon others ive lost dragon via the same plant.

Thus the plants did indeed add a dynamic element to the game.

Be salty all you want.

But if riot set out to make the jungle more dynmaic they succeeded.

Both of your "suggestions" arent dynamic. They are static changes.

DerfelMar 14, 20172 votes

You should've just stuck to your only real argument, spamming the word salt whenever you want to project your own saltiness onto other people. Because then at least you'd sort of have a point, but you had to ruin it with that joke of an analysis where you equate stealing dragons to "change" and "change therefore dynamic". lol. And that's not my suggestion, it's yours because apparently if you use it every game, it's dynamic but wait not really if you can steal a dragon then it's dynamic now.

ApocalypsicMar 14, 20174 votes

{quoted}

You should've just stuck to your only real argument, spamming the word salt whenever you want to project your own saltiness onto other people. Because then at least you'd sort of have a point, but you had to ruin it with that joke of an analysis where you equate stealing dragons to "change therefore dynamic". lol. And that's not my suggestion, it's yours because apparently if you use it every game, it's dynamic but wait not really if you can steal a dragon then it's dynamic now.

Plants are a pretty interesting addition to the game, in my opinion.

I'm not certain why you feel the need to argue and shove your own opinions down other people's throats in such a vitriolic fashion.

HäßlichMar 15, 20173 votes

He said he used it differently every game--that's the part that's dynamic, not the fact that they are used every game.

PermabannedGarenMar 15, 20171 votes

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If we're using that as the dynamo metric I guess they should just revert the edge of night nerfs, or better yet give it 800 ad then it would be used every game by everyone even more so than it already was. True dynamicism.

If it's built every game then it's not dynamic, is it? It would be a constant, which is literally the opposite of being dynamic.

Chibi BronzlifeMar 14, 20175 votes

Plants add strategic aspects to the game that didn't exist before while taking away the need to smite camps for buffs allowing junglers to more efficiently utilize their smite and time it with big objective contests. Plants were one of the best additions to the game in recent years, and yes it does make the jungle and game in general more dynamic. So I'm not sure why you're complaining about this.

DerfelMar 14, 20173 votes

hahahaha say it again

TyrekGoldenspearMar 14, 20176 votes

Try giving a counterargument next time.

Go back and do it again instead of shutting him down with derision.

DerfelMar 14, 20173 votes

lol you really are the most uppity silver on this board, it's pretty funny how you go into every thread I make telling me water is infact not wet prove me wrong and then leave pouting when I tell you to fuck off back to silver after I'm done laughing at the nth asinine thing you've said

I'm done with the laughing, so how do you want me to do it this time?

TyrekGoldenspearMar 14, 20174 votes

Wait what? I don't remember commenting on any of your recent threads.

I think you're confusing me for someone else, I don't even recognize you.

Edit: I just looked through your recent threads, and I haven't commented on any of them, even the ones dating back two weeks. So yeah, I think you're confusing me with someone else. Unless this is an alt account and I do in fact know you.

DerfelMar 14, 20172 votes

There are 2 particular dumb silvers that post in almost every thread. You're one of them I'll remember the other if he shows up.

TyrekGoldenspearMar 14, 20173 votes

There are 2 particular dumb silvers that post in almost every thread. You're one of them I'll remember the other if he shows up.

Ah...

Hey! I'm not dumb just because I don't agree with you.

Automated RivenMar 14, 20174 votes

Wait. I'm silver does that make me dumb? At least if you say yes I will know the odds are I am pretty smart. You haven't said anything right all day.

Chibi BronzlifeMar 14, 20174 votes

I however will be laughing as I click report to the bottom right of the post, because you know there is no reason for this kind of behavior in the community.

DerfelMar 14, 20171 votes

violating your safe space is more entertaining to me than anything really so keep crying about it

Chibi BronzlifeMar 14, 20175 votes

Okay. Maybe this time you'll actually read it.

DerfelMar 14, 20172 votes

hahahaha it's just as funny the second time around

Chibi BronzlifeMar 14, 20174 votes

you know I'm done talking logic to you troll. I've reported your toxic attitude to fellow members of the community and there is nothing more I need to say.

Chaos Milk TeaMar 14, 20174 votes

I think the vision plant gives a lot of interesting choices. You can waste it by popping it for no reason, sweep the wrong direction, or accidentally reveal your own position. All this is in exchange for invaluable vision. If all of the plants left, i'd keep this one. I consider it pretty dynamic.

Also, I have no problem with silvers designing things. Game design is a very different skill from league mechanics and tactics.

TrenitaliyahMar 14, 20174 votes

Plants were a good thing, actually, keeping things interesting. Maybe just the one exploding a little too much an hazard.

DuskDaUmbreonMar 14, 20173 votes

Ignoring low ELO players ideas solely because they're low ELO is a great way to lose. Many people who are only bronze or silver only suck in one aspect (typically mechanics), and often make great shot callers, or sometimes they just come up with a cool, viable way to bend the meta a bit.
Plants are far, FAR more interactive than simply "smite a camp for ez buffs that honestly kinda suck". The only smite bonuses that ended up being any good were wolf camp and the buff monsters. Krugs were only any good for clears against Gromp, Raptors were negated by the enemy mid just placing a single ward in the camp, and Gromp's buff was more useless than Urgot, and it forced you to waste a charge of smite (which could be used for actually fighting a champion or epic monster, instead of making a mandatory mobile ward) for…nothing. Blast cone is a bit…not useless, per se, but basically on par with the old Krugs buff. Honeyfruit is actually useful, though (about 1/4 of your health and mana!) and Scryer's bloom is a bit of a double-edged sword: powerful, but dangerous.
Could you honestly come up with a better idea than plants? You're part of the same camp that blames Riot's balances, but really can't come up with anything that'd actually work.
And I do believe you're also part of the same group that blames Riot for a lack of player inclusion, and for always balancing around the pros, but you're whining when they actually involved the low-level players. Make up your goddamn mind!

BreakuMar 14, 20172 votes

Plants are sweet

KrullyMar 14, 20172 votes

the plants were to make the jungle feel more ''alive'', personally, i'd change how the smite buffs would work over time, like grom passive, at first, it'd do more damage to the jungle creeps, for better clears, but over number of smites, it'd change to being more effective to champs just a dumb idea i had

AeszarckMar 14, 20172 votes

Plants do make the jungle more dynamic. I know you don't like them, but that's beside the point. The jungle has more possible interactions because of plants.

BLACK REALM GODMar 14, 20171 votes

wait... riot hires silvers to make the jungle more dynamic?...

is it possible to get hired to make the shop more dynamic as a bronze? because i have a plan to #makeleaguegreatagain

DerfelMar 14, 20173 votes

No they put one especially arrogant silver jungle main in charge of the season 7 jungle (yeah you heard that right), and his brilliant idea was plants. That and muscling out 90% of the junglers that couldn't compete with Lee but I think that was more of an unintended consequence of the silver understanding exactly nothing about the jungle.

BeatzBoyFTWMar 14, 20173 votes

Did you stated all this from 0 sources just because you're mad?

DerfelMar 14, 20172 votes

You want to bet your life on it?

BeatzBoyFTWMar 14, 20172 votes

Go ahead.

DerfelMar 14, 20172 votes

google riot fearless

BeatzBoyFTWMar 14, 20173 votes

Oh that guy.

You do know that he gets his work approval from other Rioters, right? It's not like he secretly creates a project & then ships them without permission.

AeszarckMar 15, 20171 votes

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google riot fearless

They did not hire him for the express purpose of creating plants like your title implies. He had plenty of experience at Riot beforehand as a developer. Furthermore, because this is a huge gameplay change, it was discussed and tested extensively before implementation.

HäßlichMar 15, 20173 votes

Let's also not ignore the elephant in the room: Developer rank means nothing to the design process, because they don't rely on ad hominem arguments to make their decisions.

BLACK REALM GODMar 14, 20171 votes

well plants would have been okay if they'd have made the interaction mechanics a bit smoother. RMB does way way way too many function.