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PBE assassin damage (talon example)

Ars3lyn··3 votes·536 views

OK riot, so i did some math after you put in patch 7.14, the patch your changing your leathality and also bringing out a new champion which everyone is too hype about yet again. but removing my aggressiveness to players who desperately wanting to play the new champion i was wanting to research on the nerf you did on assassins build. i was able to be astound by the amount of damage being gut out in this one. i choose to do the math on talon since he nice and simple and i don't have to get two champions instead of one (aka zed) i do gotta say bravo on the o.o.m speed was a great ideal, the 50 bonus damage is good in the dirks part, BUT the final builds makes me think you guys are completely throwing late game potential for assassins. we all know that assassins supposes to fall off late game. however they are not suppose to fall off so badly. I found out that the total damage between pbe and live server rn is a huge 476 physical damage. the total calculation from both pbe and live versions has been calculated, this dont include armor, here my math with the example of a challanger player, building a item 3033 item 3142 item 3814 item 3147 item 3156 item 3047 . and here his link to his builds http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/vaporas-guide-to-talon-v2-336414. here goes

_PBE SERVER _

total leathality- 65.4

total AD- 454.75 bonus AD- 341.75

passive total damage (with aa)- 1137.5

Q - 535 physical, can crit for 803

W - fisrt tick- 226, second tick- 385

R- 433 per blade, max damage is 1329

duskblade damage- 205 true damage

Total burst damage(without crit)- 3612 + 205 true damage

PBE SERVER

total leathality- 65.4

total AD- 439.75 bonus AD- 326.75

passive total damage (with aa, raw damage)- 813

Q- 519, can crit for 778

W- first tick 220, second tick 376

R- 421 per blade, max(3) damage-1263

leathality damage 150 physical damage

total burst damage (without crit)- 3191 + 150 physical damage

compare this to ashe based armor 79 and she can remove about half of this damage easily if she takes GA and death dance, or just death dance in general. if this continue then assassins wont do enough damage, REMINDER this is RAW DAMAGE. nor armor math or anything like that. and no this isnt including thunderlords though if i do then my plan in pointing this our would had work out better. now it time for me to sleep night yall, see you in a few hours

12 Comments

Kaioko3 votes

Your calculation has one fatal flaw -- you're completely disregarding the change to how lethality is going to calculate based on your level instead of the enemy's level.

If you're going to gank Ashe bottom as per your example you should be level 8 to her level 5. This means that before while you would get a 71% pen you're now going to get a 78% pen. That additional 7% pen makes up for most of the damage you lose while also preventing those items from being abused by ADCs.

Redo your calculation based on the new lethality calc and then you'd have a viable example.

Ars3lyn1 votes

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Your calculation has one fatal flaw -- you're completely disregarding the change to how lethality is going to calculate based on your level instead of the enemy's level.

If you're going to gank Ashe bottom as per your example you should be level 8 to her level 5. This means that before while you would get a 71% pen you're now going to get a 78% pen. That additional 7% pen makes up for most of the damage you lose while also preventing those items from being abused by ADCs.

Redo your calculation based on the new lethality calc and then you'd have a viable example.

sir i had disregarded armor and masteries except for the fact that i stated it is raw damage AND the added damage from percision (which is 6 leathality), i only stated this cause each champions armor is slightly different then others. I mean i was doing all of this while i was dead tired, i was almost knock out through this and to top it off you didnt read (or didnt comprehend ) what i said in the beginning i added the leathality into it is cause of live version of duskblade, which is 75 + (200% of leathality) which gave the true damage of 205

also i dont add the 7% pen cause challengers dont go that path, that path of consistence damage and slight sustain, while the other is the path of burst damage for assassins, unless your an enchantress then you would say it for healing

TálØnly1 votes

Thanks for the calculations! Riot better be looking at this shit and change something

Ars3lyn1 votes

im serious this will make them not viable except maybe zed due to his ult

Evil Yasuo1 votes

I'm not building leathality anymore. Riot has made it crystal clear they hate assassins so i'm just going to be building them like bruisers/tanks with lots of armor/mr scaling runes. I tried it out and I can't burst shit. Typically I get the snowball rolling quick so I can roam and absolutely dominate lane to help others. After I won lane and bought the ghostblade I couldn't burst shit. I let literally around 5 kill get away before 20 minute mark.

Ars3lyn2 votes

hey buddy if your talon, get try to build item 3078 and item 3742 together, it a total damage of ~350 damage (no i didnt do the calculation but i know that talon based ad is 113 at max) with one q, add that with item 3031 and item 3087 and item 3094. it a troll build but i think it will be hilarious

Evil Yasuo1 votes

Interesting, i'll try that! I actually used to build trinity force and frozen mallet back in the day when Talon was first released. (the one with the silence on his E)

Ars3lyn1 votes

lol good luck in the summoner rift buddy have fun ^~^

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