[Patch 6.14] Taliyah Change : : Official Seismic Shove (W) Change Request Petition
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Champion : Taliyah
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Discussion : Seismic Shove (W) Changes In Patch 6.14
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Asking For : A hot fix / retrograde of Taliyah's Seismic Shove (W) back to it's original (Pre 6.14 Patch Release).
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Your Help : Please up vote this thread for recognition to Riot. In addition, constructive and well thought out posts from others would be a great help in assisting to make this happen. Weather you are for the change or against it, all perspectives count in our steps forward.
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What Were Talking About
" We like steep skill curves, but Taliyah’s mechanics can present more of a burden than a challenge. In particular, Seismic Shove’s spell lockout and two-cast paradigm can leave Taliyah’s stone-weaving feeling straight-up unresponsive. " - Riot, Patch 6.14 Patch Notes " Let’s be clear on one thing: removing this lockout is really powerful (like, Taliyah’s probably crazy as a result). Having witnessed some of the resulting shenanigans during testing, we’re taking pre-emptive measures to soften the best-case of her now much-more-reliable ‘Seismic Shove + Unraveled Earth’ combo. Things might be rocky for a while, but we’re confident that smoother Stoneweaver gameplay paves the road for a balanced Taliyah in the long-term " - Riot, Patch 6.14 Patch Notes
- The Change
" W - Seismic Shove COOLDOWN 16/14/12/10/8 seconds ⇒ 16/15/14/13/12 seconds CAST PARADIGM Cast to place, recast to direct ⇒ Vector casting (ex. Rumble’s R - The Equalizer) REMOVEDLOCKOUT Taliyah is no longer locked out of casting other spells for 0.55 seconds after casting Seismic Shove " - As Listed In 6.14 Patch Notes
- The Issue
Taliyah is a champion with a very high learning curve. For many of the Taliyah mains, myself included, we found Taliyah to be extremely difficult at first in making her a worthwhile pick in the competitive ranked queue. It took many games to learn her combos, strengths, weaknesses, build paths, and landing a crucial Seismic Shove (W) when we needed it most. She is a champion that is easy to learn and yet, extremely difficult to master. Many of us feel that we were blindsided by this change, even after speaking out against the change prior to Patch 6.14 being released on July 13. We understand that Riots developers believe that the change has helped more than hurt and that the lockout being taken away is a blessing. However, we would effectively argue that point in many ways.
- The Argument
Taliyah is a control Mage. It's not a stretch to say that players who main this champion are not Master Yi converters that are looking to just Alpha Strike over and over on whatever is in front of us. Taliyah is played methodically, precisely, and with excellent position and timing. We understand that a 0.55 second lockout is a burden. However, we accept that and adjust our play style accordingly. With the original cast of the Seismic Shove (W) we can methodically place this knock-up in the direction that best suits the situation.
With the 6.14 change, nothing about the knock-up feels methodical or precise, both in timing and in the way it works. It feels extremely clunky in the way that it is cast. Where as before, it felt fluid. We all accept the fact that it's only been one day since the release of this change, however; We do wish that Riot would have accepted before the change that what is not broken does not need to be fixed. As Taliyah mains, we understand you think your doing us a service but this does not feel like any of the sort.
In addition to these changes, you have now asked us to accept damage reduction (nerfs) with the changes to Seismic Shove (W). We feel it's unfair to accept the nerfs of Taliyah based on a change that we already disapprove of. I would gladly take the 0.55 seconds of lockout time than to lose damage.
- Conclusion
If a Riot Developer could explain in a post to the community about why these changes are okay and should be accepted, many of us would be pleased to hear it. We believe that Taliyah as a champion and in the way her kit was designed was excellent on release. Many of us praised you for the work in which you put into her. All we ask now is for the champion that many of us have come to love, not be mechanically changed in what feels for all the wrong reasons. Thank you for allowing the masses to address you publicly through the forums on this change and I sincerely hope you take the time to read, observe, and take into consideration the thoughts in which we have laid out for you in this post.
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