RIot balence in a nutshell

breakordoom444·May 7, 2017·4 votes·559 views

"me got good idea, give kog 5.0 atk speed" "GEED IDEA" (adc update) (1 week after) community:OMG KOG BROKEN WTF 1 SECOND PENTA KILL OMG "ok then we unrework it" (after) community:WTF RIOT WHY U REMOVE FUN PART OF THE NEW KOG FUCKING BRONZE ZED MAINS

(7.9) "we reworked zac becuz we noticed that zacs pick rate is getting overwelmed by other champs and his kit is a bit weak, lets change it abit to make him semi viable!" (2 minutes after) "FUCK YOU RIOT, UNREWORK THIS BULLSHIT"

these responses are real examples.

19 Comments

Scary DoorMay 7, 20172 votes

Balance team is more like this

"What champion reworks can we do that either no one asked for or that involve already balanced champions?"

"What aspects of gameplay can we change that no one asked for or aren't at all crucial?"

"In what ways can we shift the meta most dramatically so as to yield the highest frustration level for our players"

and finally...

"What needless changes can we institute simply for the sake of changing things only to randomly change them again two weeks later so that the game has absolutely zero continuity?"

WarpesMay 9, 20171 votes

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Balance team is more like this

"What champion reworks can we do that either no one asked for or that involve already balanced champions?"

"What aspects of gameplay can we change that no one asked for or aren't at all crucial?"

"In what ways can we shift the meta most dramatically so as to yield the highest frustration level for our players"

and finally...

"What needless changes can we institute simply for the sake of changing things only to randomly change them again two weeks later so that the game has absolutely zero continuity?"

this.

Warlord ScrapMay 7, 20171 votes

the lol community will never be satisfied

Support PositionMay 7, 20173 votes

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the lol community will never be satisfied

riot just never produces GOOD balanced mechanics. They ALWAYS ruin the champion one way or another. They DO NOT test ANYTHING.

Warlord ScrapMay 7, 20171 votes

Name one game that hits the mark of perfect balance on release of something.

Support PositionMay 9, 20171 votes

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Name one game that hits the mark of perfect balance on release of something.

When did I say release? I don't see a release anywhere.

All I said was they don't balance anything. Which they don't they rely on players to do that so they don't have to pay money to more workers to do it for them. Hense the PBE and why it's there. Yet the PBE players seem to no say anything.

Otherwise 7.9 tank rework would have been postponed due to hatred of Zac. (or he just would be), Sej being BROKEN overpowered, and Maokai being garbage now and not doing damage unless you buy full ap and get 1 shot.

I could say a lot more champions. But it's a waste of time.

Warlord ScrapMay 9, 20171 votes

Except lol is on a rolling release and is still not a finished product. Lol community logic is this "rift herald is stupid and isnt worth 2 people trying to get a solo buff. Riot makes a worthwhile rift herald omg riot this is so broken remove it."

breakordoom444May 7, 20171 votes

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riot just never produces GOOD balanced mechanics. They ALWAYS ruin the champion one way or another. They DO NOT test ANYTHING.

yes Riot does not test, THATS WHY WE HAVE THE GOD DAMN PBE TO TEST BALENCE.

Support PositionMay 9, 20172 votes

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yes Riot does not test, THATS WHY WE HAVE THE GOD DAMN PBE TO TEST BALENCE.

PBE is PLAYER testing. That NO ONE takes seriously. Watch streams of it as apparently you dont have it if it was sej wouldn't have been released like this. Same with Zac. Same with Maokai.

Hell Camille would have been better then on release.

Same with Rakan and Xayah. No. They DO NOT balance it. They look to PLAYERS to say something. No one does. Period.

Warlord ScrapMay 9, 20171 votes

Doesnt that fall on the players then not riot. The players dont take it serious and dont say anything.

Support PositionMay 10, 20171 votes

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Doesnt that fall on the players then not riot. The players dont take it serious and dont say anything.

No. As riot should be doing the balancing with the players. Players say and such should withhold about 15% since none of them do anything. Keep the pbe for "ideas" and things that players are concerned about. However riot need a designated balance team that balances things towards EVERY champion in League. That would be their job, to playtest with ALL the champions all day with that specific champion. Obviously counters are a thing to have. But they need to test how poor the champion is (EX: Zac 7.9 totally garbage in all ways.) and not COMPLETELY broken. (Darius since his rework and still.)

Warlord ScrapMay 10, 20171 votes

You have no clue the amount of time it takes to test every champ vs every possible counter with items and team comps thrown in. No amount of testing will ever compete with the first hour on live. Not to mention when the community does something weird like malz supp

Support PositionMay 10, 20171 votes

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You have no clue the amount of time it takes to test every champ vs every possible counter with items and team comps thrown in. No amount of testing will ever compete with the first hour on live. Not to mention when the community does something weird like malz supp

If Hi-Rez a dying company with 87 "gods" and a smaller team by probably triple riots can do it. So can riot. Billion dollar company. Time for them to use the money we give them daily into something that's not pros for once.

Warlord ScrapMay 10, 20171 votes

So 50 less champs about half the items and a slower patch cycle. Whats your next example dota 2 oh wait most of that stuff was balanced on a stagnant game. hots indivdual score means nothing commpared to league making it easier to balance. paladins is new. Overwatch is no were near as tacitical and needs more twitch reflexs than macro. Any rts isnt an example because its a different genre. Honestly the best example would be the warhammer online moba that had dedicated testers but the game fizzed out too fast.

Support PositionMay 11, 20171 votes

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So 50 less champs about half the items and a slower patch cycle. Whats your next example dota 2 oh wait most of that stuff was balanced on a stagnant game. hots indivdual score means nothing commpared to league making it easier to balance. paladins is new. Overwatch is no were near as tacitical and needs more twitch reflexs than macro. Any rts isnt an example because its a different genre. Honestly the best example would be the warhammer online moba that had dedicated testers but the game fizzed out too fast.

You're just salty because a bronze is actually having a valid argument. Have a good day man. Good luck in your games, billion dollar company + can afford to hire 10 guys to game all day to test champs vs other champs and comps. Ez pz. Done with this argument :)

Warlord ScrapMay 11, 20171 votes

No because 10 guys 8 hours a day t days a week is laughable. It wouldnt be enough to balance 1 champ a patch cycle let alon all 136. Your rank is irrelevant in this arguement.

Support PositionMay 14, 20171 votes

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No because 10 guys 8 hours a day t days a week is laughable. It wouldnt be enough to balance 1 champ a patch cycle let alon all 136. Your rank is irrelevant in this arguement.

10 is an example number. Shame your tiny brain is too triggered to understand that part... And rank doesn't mean shit buddy :) you're ego definitely shows a toxic little kid that their parents kept telling them no when they went to the store and you saw some nice toys or candy you wanted. Please grow up a little before you post next, and take the salt you have, put it on some damn fries. [slayer-jinx-wink] have a good day. Elo hugger :)

Warlord ScrapMay 14, 20171 votes

How am i the one thats toxic when your the one that has to rely on insults. Also your the only one thats bronging up rank.

And whether your number of testers weres was an example or not is irrelecant because there millions of team comps. To try every team comp once would take thousands of testers once and since balance is fluid and a made up concept and not a true state its impossible to truly find. They rather find bugs because thats something they can fix.

Xion The XIVMay 10, 20171 votes

Zac needs a rework because his pick rate is being lowered constantly. but my man Singed will never be worked on again with his 1.7% pick rate. If Riot wants to use the excuse of "This champion has a lower pick rate so we need to fix them". Why not work on the characters with the lowest rates and not the "Meta" champions that season.