Everyone is Complaining about Ekko's Lore

doiminat0r3600·May 17, 2015·8 votes·1,540 views

The real problem is how he has an overloaded kit.

38 Comments

DurzakaMay 17, 20154 votes

Have you played as him?

Against him?

Then how would you have a fucking clue if he is balanced, overpowered or weak?

doiminat0r3600May 17, 20151 votes

Have you seen footage of him? Most on the PBE get a really fast grasp of this champion and are able to faceroll the enemy team and win unless they were pumbled down by an enemy ekko that had more experience.

DurzakaMay 17, 20151 votes

Apparently it didnt post my response i wrote 40 minutes ago.

The PBE is a terrible place to judge true balance. It is a clusterfuck of different skill levels. Youve got Bronze laning against Plat and Diamond. PBE is purely to see if the champion is bugged, or if there is something so incredibly overblown in their kit it needs fixing (like AP Lucian 1 shotting Baron with his ult back in the day).

Wingsofdeath went 25/2 on Ekko on the PBE. He wouldnt (and won't) pull that kind of score on live because of the actual skill level he is playing against.

101100111000May 17, 20151 votes

The little shit has a 70% passive AP Ratio, a 2-part gap closer, an AoE stun that also grants him an 80% AP Ratio shield that's coupled with an AP scaling % missing HP passive (about 2.2% per 100 AP aside from the base), and the damage portion of his ultimate has a 130 AP ratio. His kit would be fine if his numbers weren't so huge. I killed LeBlancs and Kat's faster than they can kill each other. It's ridiculous to conceive a champion as a utility assassin and give him better burst patterns than other assassins with significantly less utility.

Number nerfs. Needs number needs and he'll be fine.

Also, his enhanced e autoattack works on structures. >_>

DurzakaMay 17, 20151 votes

His "broken" 70% ap ratio on his passive is also a 3 fucking hit passive.

You can list literally any champions abilities like you just did and make them sound broken. So yeah, that doesnt contribute to the discussion at all.

Except his E aa working on structures. THAT sounds like a bug on the PBE rather than intended though (much like Yasuo's wind wall stopped turret shots on the PBE wasnt intended).

101100111000May 17, 20151 votes

I didn't call anything broken, I said he needs number nerfs. His 3-hit passive procs off of his damaging abilities too, a simple e-q-aa procs it and you don't even waste 2 seconds doing that.

LifeCyclesTWAMay 17, 20152 votes

Mark my words, he will be the next pubstomp champion and he will be a balancing nightmare for Riot for as long as he exists. He will either be too strong or too weak, and the community will make many a QQ thread about him. Very similar to Leblanc.

And yes, his kit is largely over loaded. His dash also functions as a blink, his poke has a .2 and .6 damage ratio attached to it... so does awesome damage in addition to also slowing the target AND being his main source of poke, his ult seems ridiculous on paper... idk. Either, way I'm not excited at all for this pubstomper.

NarasimhaMay 17, 20151 votes

is poke has a .2 and .6 damage ratio attached to it... so does awesome damage

...That's seriously awesome damage to you?

LifeCyclesTWAMay 17, 20152 votes

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...That's seriously awesome damage to you?

That is amazing damage. I do not believe you realize just how great of an AP Ratio .8 is. .2 + .6 = .8 btw.

That is 80% of all of your AP being dealt as AP in 1 single poke that is not hard to land.

Btw, Nidalee spear does between .4 and 1.2 damage per spear. So it is the strength of the average Nidalee spear.

The #1 most famous big damage nuke in LoL history:

Annie 's ultimate has a .8 damage ratio as well. Yes, his poke has the same AP ratio has Annie's ultimate.

So yeah, that is seriously awesome damage to be put into a poke to me. If thats not to you then you are fucking high or you know NOTHING about LoL lmao. Most champs don't have a single ability over .6 AP in their kit lmao, not including ultimates. Look it up dude.

NarasimhaMay 17, 20152 votes

.8 is great.

But .2 + .6 =/= .8

The .2 is easier to land, the .6 not so much.

So yes, his poke has the same AP ratio as annie's ultimate. Good luck hitting it though.

LifeCyclesTWAMay 17, 20151 votes

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.8 is great.

But .2 + .6 =/= .8

The .2 is easier to land, the .6 not so much.

So yes, his poke has the same AP ratio as annie's ultimate. Good luck hitting it though.

We'll see. As I said before I see Ekko's advanced mechanics being taken advantage of to destroy lesser-skilled players/noobs. He will make an awesome pub-stomper.

NarasimhaMay 17, 20151 votes

I don't think so. People said the same thing about Azir. And people were struggling to use him well before his nerfs. Ekko looks like a genuinely high skill-floor high skill-cap kind of guy. I mean, an assassin that DOESN'T burst people down? Thats something pretty new.

LifeCyclesTWAMay 29, 20151 votes

Hey buddy, how is Ekko looking? I'm still saying his numbers are off the mark and his kit is overloaded. How about you?

NarasimhaMay 29, 20151 votes

Eh, kinda unimpressed, honestly. Playing as him as fun, but he's too vulnerable early game, atleast in mid lane. Too vulnerable to poke, farming with Q chews through your mana, and if you go all in, most mid laners have the cc to trap you and return fire. the delay on his W makes it pretty hard to get the stun off in a 1v1, its pretty easy to see coming. He does better late game than I expected, but thats a bit of a trade off. He doesn't have as much burst as other assassins, it takes him a few passes to get the job done.

Overall, maybe SLIGHTLY overtuned, but certainly not to an outrageous extent

LifeCyclesTWAMay 29, 20151 votes

Its weird, what they did was make an assassin that scales into late game, where all the other assassins fall off... I don't know whether or not I like that.

NarasimhaMay 29, 20151 votes

Its waayy to early to tell. It is an interesting choice though. Most assassins fall off because they're made to pick off single targets, and late game is where teams buddy up. On the other hand, Ekko actually thrives in team fights, with his solid AOE cc and his ult. I think we'll have to wait a bit to see how he actually ends up.

jDVL20eCYsMay 17, 20151 votes

lol his q dose he same as ahris q but harder to hit and don't do truedamge. and no annies url dose 100 ap ratio upforn burst cause the first tick of the brun aura is isnta. annei silt have much higher base damage and fibber also auto attack. since you are stunned for 1.75 sec you are almsot guranateed to take 3 ticks which is a totally of 140% ap ratio and 600 base damage compare dot ekkos q that is 80% ratio 280 base. fibber can also stay fro much longer and to sick damage. SO NO ANNIES ULT DOSE WAY MORE DAMGE THEN EKKOS Q. AND BTW EKKOS KIT HAVE SO MUCH MORE IN IT THEN ANNIE BUT THAT ALSO MEAN MUCH MORE COUTNER APLY BUT MUC H MORE FU NTO PALY WITH AND AGAINST. HOW WUN DO YOU THINK ITS TO GET FLASH TIBBER OR JSUT TIBBER IN THE FACE AND GET 100-0? its that what you like? annie have super underloaded kit. overloaded kit=/ bad kit. new champs have to be "overloaded" to brine something new and interesting to leuge. and they are fun and made for high elo like bard azir. so stuff bronsi

Ulquiorra995May 17, 20152 votes

They have found a way to funnel content from lore to kit. That's why every new champion has zero background and godawful kits.

just a memoryMay 17, 20151 votes

I'm not sure what to make of it. So far, his damage seems way too high and his stun duration way too long.

YawnliMay 17, 20151 votes

people are going to feed so hard using him he will end up receiving buffs early on. early on

BakedLotionMay 17, 20151 votes

130% AP ratio ult. That's enough to 100-0 a squishy LMFAO not to mention the op base dmg

SukishooMay 17, 20151 votes

How is it "overloaded"? He can hurl a disc that causes damage, has a very short ranged dash, a slowing field that can cause a stun after a short delay (if he enters it) and can rewind a short instance of time (heal and cause damage). There's nothing "overloaded" about that.

LifeCyclesTWAMay 17, 20151 votes

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How is it "overloaded"? He can hurl a disc that causes damage, has a very short ranged dash, a slowing field that can cause a stun after a short delay (if he enters it) and can rewind a short instance of time (heal and cause damage). There's nothing "overloaded" about that.

Compare that to other champions though.

Mordekaiser Damage he does gives him a shield. His ultimate lets him use a dead enemy champion to fight for him. Defensive CD. Annie Every fourth spell is a stun. A defensive CD. Jax Jax has a leap that lets him jump to all units, a dodge mechanic which procs a stun, and a defensive CD Tryndamere A dash, a slow, in-built damage steroids, ability to stop death for 5 seconds.

Ekko? A ranged high-damage poke that has a slow attached to it, a dash that also functions as a blink when you want it too, a slow field which can turn into a stun when walked into, can become invulnerable to damage while going back in time... healing himself and causing damage.

Why does his poke have to slow? Why does his dash have to allow him to blink? Why does his slow turn into a stun? Why does his ult not only turn back time, but also restore his health and nuke everyone around him?

Every single one of his abilities grants multiple effects at minimal risk but high reward.

SukishooMay 17, 20151 votes

Why does his dash have to allow him to blink?

Only lets him "blink" if the target is in range though, because it's still very short range.

Why does his ult not only turn back time, but also restore his health and nuke everyone around him?

It's pretty much like a skill shot though in a sense as you have to have your ghost placed right if you want the enemies to get damaged, otherwise you're just healing yourself, and it's really not bad cause he can still get caught off guard that way like anyone with a item 3157

doiminat0r3600May 17, 20151 votes

Overloaded = AOE stun that is capable of stunning the entire enemy team during a teamfight for essentially the entire duration of the fight. Overloaded also = flash ability that has a short cooldown. TBH, he is essentially a Gnar + Ezreal combination

SukishooMay 17, 20151 votes

It's only a stun after a short duration if he STEPS into the field... so what if he were knocked back after placing it? Can't stun anyone.

doiminat0r3600May 17, 20151 votes

He can dash into the field as well. Leaving everyone within stunned and wondering what happened and where he is.

SukishooMay 17, 20151 votes

Yes, but it's got a delay on the stun so you can get out pretty easily.

doiminat0r3600May 17, 20151 votes

refer to my point on another comment about how you can barely see the hologram and the AOE is HUGE

4nth0l0gyMay 17, 20151 votes

I'm sure you've got a lot of experience playing as Ekko to confirm this

You know, since he's been released and all

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jDVL20eCYsMay 17, 20151 votes

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The real problem is how he has an overloaded kit.

man you are silver 3 in NA, you played singed with the most binary kit every. press q press r run around without watch you screen. you want riot to realse champs like singed? stupdi toxic boring champs?

HIS KIT IS INTERESTING AND SEEM REALLY FUN AND REWARDIGN FRO HI MECHANINC: I CAN ASURE YOU HE WILL HAVE LOWER WINRATE THEN SINGED: BUT YOU SIVLER WILL STILL QQ CAUSE TAHT ALL YOU CAN QQ. YOU PALY SINGED CAUSE ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS QQQQQQQQ. pelase don't kassadin or azir pre buffs this fantastic champ. man azir have like 41% winrate but is played in high elo cause he takes skill. Can you let us diamond players have your fucking fun high skill cap champs and you can continue play boring as brain dead singed? ok? we played tow different games and you should give no shit about balance cause you know zero about it. specially a unreleased champ. like wtf man

doiminat0r3600May 17, 20151 votes

Yes. Let's be like the normal community and use stats for EVERYTHING.

jDVL20eCYsMay 17, 20151 votes

so that sejuani have 55& winrate insane play rates and ban rate while while elise have 40% winrate almost never picked and zero pick rate dose not say anything. it can be sejuani that is underpowered and elise overpowered? cause start is nothing? stats is everything like its tells everything and lol have so many stats and numbers. Winrate tell one thing. how likely you are to in if that champs is in your team. That is also the biggest part that decide balance. Lets say ekko have 45% write while annie get 55% winrate. ekkos kit is absolutely more loaded. WOULD YOU SITLL ARGUE TAHT EKKO IS BORKEN WHIEL ANNIE IS ABSOLUTLY FINE AND THAT WINRATE DOSE NOT MEAN A SHIT?

doiminat0r3600May 17, 20151 votes

Calling someone silver and ranting about how they dont know anything because they're silver doesnt mean anything.

Blazing TenshiMay 17, 20151 votes

Don't stand in his W, don't stand near his hologram. Now if you have no mobility to stay away from those two zones good luck.

doiminat0r3600May 17, 20151 votes

You can hardly see the hologram (especially since the possibility stands of a teamfight going on and things flying around the screen). The circle is too light so you cant see it and its HUGE.

Blazing TenshiMay 17, 20151 votes

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You can hardly see the hologram (especially since the possibility stands of a teamfight going on and things flying around the screen). The circle is too light so you cant see it and its HUGE.

Rito - "Clarity(TM)"

jDVL20eCYsMay 17, 20151 votes

its true you con side 40%r azir kassadin elise op? no why? cause they suck at your elo. kassaidn azri is really strong the higher in elo you come and elsie actually are playable in high elo if you are good with her. trust me ekko is not op. he is the best thing that happened to this game. i love app assigns like i adore them just watch my lol king. its daina, kassadin, ahri, lb, nida, fizz, elise, eve man i even wreck people with ap renga in na high plat. but all of them have been nerfed and so much qq. expect daina that was nerfed before i start play her or joined leuge. but love fizz and wa sos sad when they gutted him and made him ad right after i become really good on him and start win lots of game. when they removed lb silcne they nerd my season 4 main that i played before everonye said op. i never played old op kasssadin and i did not god the few teams i did. but right after the rework my first game was sick and went like 20/1/14 do everyone said he was trash and had 30 something wirnate then he got lots of buffs and i spammed and loved him. then he got nerfed and nerfed and he is frustrating to play his mid game is just so bad.... but I'm really god with him and enjoy him and have over 50% winrate do he have 40% overall. i was picking up nida right after rework when she as consider trans and i loved her new kit, played her ap not that dirty ad, but knows much qq and nerfs so have almsot stop played her play her lots of jungle mid top really this season. aa ahir, they nerfed my assassin hair and made some easy to play kit mage, why the hihgskill cap hair got easier to play and super winrate 57% cause she beocm easy to use in your elo. They fucked over ap eve so many times riot and that e dose physical damage just feel shit... i hate the tank eve i hate riots recommended builds for her. i play her mid top but most jungle and some months ago i had sick score with her. i palye her full ap assain do riot hates it. but i love me ap assassin eve. this week i have start spam elise only and I'm mastery level 4 with her and she is super fun and feel rewarding for playing god and punished for missing her e and play bad. i don't play the stupid full tank that lcs dose and its sucks. i go my ap build/semi ap tanky item, zhonya absyal haunting. EXACT SO elise should be applied and build, i hope riot also work for it. oo and dian my love my most played champ this season my hearth my super ap assain who no one beats in lane if it was not for dose dirty jungler. her kit is a simpler more tanky and burstier ekko. probably that champ ekko have most common with. he is like a hybrid between fizz, daina and a ahri q. I'm so exited for him and really don't want you low elo players ruin my ap assassin that i have waited for since i started playing lol since they never realsed one since i started. so please cant you just stop complain about ekko. before i was that you have won 20 games out of 30 with ekko. you have no right to call him broken :)