TL:DR DUOS IN SOLO/DUO RUIN GAMES

Evil Shawn·Nov 26, 2016·10 votes·2,557 views

Duos ruin the game. Makes no sense to have solo/duo if we have flex. I was just in a game where two people were talking about how their skype disconnected and they kept going afk to try and fix it and cost us the game. But that is just one of my stories. Everything I'm about to list has happened to me more than once and I'm finally fed up.

On your team:

Extreme match ups like a Bronze 5 and a Silver 1 completely skewing mmr and making the game unbalanced (skill wise) across the board for both teams.
Two friends think they don't need to communicate with the team and ignore everyone costing the game.
Two friends get complimentary roles like bot lane or jg + top/mid lane and try to help each other out more than the team and cost the game.
Two friends who can hold remake/forfeit votes hostage.
Two friends who back eachother's stupid decisions up immediately without thinking, costing the game.
potential for two trolls to ruin the game.
Allows for easier, less detectable boosting via smurfs.
Possibility of insta champ locking friends in the lobby taking roles they want so they can play with each other

On Enemy team:

If you're someone who actually cares about a fair and balanced game, any of the former statements would make winning for you easier and therefore you should be bothered that you're not actually gaining any experience from defeating a tilted team. Same concept of fairness and honor would apply if you had a booster smurf on your team and they were carrying for you.
More likely to get boosting enemies who are so much better than you, that you don't stand a chance.
Not impossible for none of the aforementioned statements to apply to the opposite team and thus having to face a more organized cooperative enemy (Although this is extremely rare).

Keep in mind that solo duo also has the potential of matching you on a team of 2 + 2 +1, you being the solo and the other duos being friends and thus doubling the latent issues.

If we had a 100% solo only ranked que that would great, and I don't see why its solo/duo if we have flex. People who are ok dealing with all of that unbalanced disaster prone trash can use flex.

While I'm at it I feel I should mention that all chat is completely unnecessary to ranked and is in fact a detriment to it and should be removed in all ranked ques.

24 Comments

what you deserveNov 26, 20164 votes

are you serious riot finally got rid of dynamic queue and this is your response holy shit

MarshbouyNov 26, 20163 votes

It's the league of whining. People always complain no matter how good the solution is.

Kaisa is HotNov 26, 20162 votes

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are you serious riot finally got rid of dynamic queue and this is your response holy shit

Well I mean he does have a very good point, what's the use of having duo in ranked when there is flex. Leave the solo's alone.

what you deserveNov 26, 20162 votes

it's always been soloduo, no reason to change it

Evil ShawnNov 26, 20161 votes

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it's always been soloduo, no reason to change it

They change shit in this game all the time. I don't see how it would be bad to have stirctly solo que and then flex for everything else. It shouldn't be called solo/duo if you can DUO in it. It should be called SOLO and FLEX. Why not call flex SOLO/FLEX then huh? You can also que solo in flex so lets call it solo/flex. Or, we could make sense and have SOLO and FLEX. SOLO, NOT DUO, SOLO. SOLO MEANS ONE AND ONLY ONE, NOT TWO. DUO MEANS TWO AND ONLY TWO, NOT ONE.

what you deserveNov 26, 20161 votes

actually it should be called solo/duo if you can duo in it. it would be stupid for it to be called solo/duo if you couldn't duo in it though.

"solo/flex" is a bullshit thing to say because "flex" inherently means "any number of players" so you could make an argument that it's stupid for it to be called "flex" and not allow 4-mans but i mean whatever

also why exactly is a botduo a bad thing? that's pretty standard, most good supports/adcs like to play with a partner because you get to know each others' playstyles better

Evil ShawnNov 26, 20161 votes

You misunderstand me. I'm saying that 'flex' que should allow any number of players 1-5 to que. And that 'solo/duo' should be replaced with 'strictly solo'. If you want to que 'duo' then you would use flex.

what you deserveNov 26, 20161 votes

It shouldn't be called solo/duo if you can DUO in it.

Evil ShawnNov 26, 20161 votes

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Well I mean he does have a very good point, what's the use of having duo in ranked when there is flex. Leave the solo's alone.

Precisely. There is literally no logical argument you can make against me. Unless they made solo and duo impossible to do in flex. Which makes less sense.

Evil ShawnNov 26, 20162 votes

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are you serious riot finally got rid of dynamic queue and this is your response holy shit

You haven't presented an argument that debunks my claim.

Quil EvrythingNov 26, 20161 votes

true. but edit your post and remove your dumb comment about removing chat, and you might be taken more seriously

Evil ShawnNov 26, 20161 votes

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true. but edit your post and remove your dumb comment about removing chat, and you might be taken more seriously

No, its a legitimate issue I made a whole other board about. In almost no other pvp games can you actively speak with the team you're trying to kill. It is nothing but a platform for trolls, or a distraction for serious players. Entirely unnecessary.

what you deserveNov 26, 20161 votes

"Almost no other PvP games" CS;GO, Overwatch, and DotA aren't top competitive games, then, I guess?

You can turn off /all chat. It's in the game settings.

Evil ShawnNov 26, 20161 votes

I'm talking about games that matter here. I don't know what CSgo is. Overwatch, I've never played but I'm surprised you can speak with your enemies in it. Plus overwatch is a shooter that is way less complicated and is mostly about players reactionary shooting skills, not mental strategy like League is. Dota is the same genre as league and I don't agree with being able to chat with your enemy there either. All I know, is that games that don't allow you to communicate with your enemy during a fight are much more enjoyable and serious, like world of warcraft for example.

what you deserveNov 26, 20161 votes

If you don't know about Counter Strike then I'm not sure you have any place talking about competitive gameplay at all.

Evil ShawnNov 28, 20161 votes

Shooters are trash games though, they're boring. There is no strategy, just shooting. No abilities, buffs ex. to worry about, just who is has better reactionary skills. Games like league require reactionary skills and more. And, I'm talking about games in this genre anyway, not garbage shooters that 10 year olds play

what you deserveNov 29, 20161 votes

First off, you're wrong- CS has quite a bit of strategy (there are lanes and objectives, as well as buffs and different skills). You're also showing more and more to just be another toxic whiner who has no idea what he's talking about. Counter-Strike has long been one of the top competitive games in e-Sports.

Evil ShawnDec 4, 20161 votes

All I know CS from is that leafy guy who is a complete loser, and that apparently a bunch of little kids got scammed money for buying knives or something. To me, CS is for little kids and its a shit game.

what you deserveDec 4, 20161 votes

your opinion isn't relevant to the fact that you're clearly ignorant and it's still one of the biggest competitive games in the entirety of e-sports. it's okay to admit that you're wrong when it's clear

Evil ShawnDec 4, 20161 votes

Although I've never really heard of it as a serious thing, I haven't denied that its an e-sport. An entirely different genre I might add, that doesn't compare to these games in most regards. When I think of shooters like cs I think of games like halo, battlefield, call of duty, ex. There is no possible way that those games require the kind of strategic thinking that a game like this does. In those games, there aren't classes like 'mage', 'assassin', 'Tank', 'Bruiser' ex. Its all guns, mele and explosions. The kind of strategic thinking you do doesn't involve stuff like paper stats, ability effectiveness, objectives, 1v1 being impossible in some scenarios, ex.

Admittedly when I was thinking of other pvp games, I was thinking about games like world of warcraft, most console shooters like destiny, halo, battlefield, CoD ex. And in League of legends, ranked actually matters. Ranking is actually difficult and stressful. There is no need for your team to be able to communicate with the enemy.

what you deserveNov 26, 20161 votes

i don't need to. your argument isn't logically formulated so there is no logically formulated response that will debunk it

A little PeepoDec 4, 20161 votes

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You haven't presented an argument that debunks my claim.

Extreme match ups like a Bronze 5 and a Silver 1 completely skewing mmr and making the game unbalanced (skill wise) across the board for both teams.

This may hold some truth to it but riots match making system has never been the best and even when there are no duos u will still get placed with weird match ups like that since the system looks at your mmr and not ur elo.

Two friends think they don't need to communicate with the team and ignore everyone costing the game.

Not all duos ignore entire team. Duos that want to win work with their team, this is just stereotypical. Next thing ur gonna tell me is that all mexicans are drug cartels? Or all asians eat dogs and cats? Not trying to be racist (asian/Mexican here) just saying this idea is based on stereotypes and not all duos are like this, I've met a good amount of duos that work with their teams, I know I do every game whether they are my duo or not. Team work wins games and 2 people out of 5 is not team work. This can happen in a team full of solo, u act like every solo queue player is a team star player lol because they are not.

Two friends get complimentary roles like bot lane or jg + top/mid lane and try to help each other out more than the team and cost the game.

Essentially there is some truth to this but like I said duos that are in it to win work with everyone. Stop thinking that stereotypes are facts because they are not. I've had solo queue players gank certain lanes only because they are easier and because they communicate better. This has happened in solo and duo games for me, this isn't a duo queue only scenario.

Two friends who can hold remake/forfeit votes hostage.

So? When you are in a ranked game you shouldnt give up. If you are serious about climbing then you gotta try and not just give up. This game is about improving and not just giving up on games when ur against better players. There are comebacks and I've seen a lot of those, people eventually throw...

Two friends who back eachother's stupid decisions up immediately without thinking, costing the game.

A game can be thrown and lost by just 1 single person. I've had games that were thrown by solo players as well lol

potential for two trolls to ruin the game.

This community is filled with trolls chances are you will encounter a troll in every 3-5 games on average. I've seen many solo trolls

Allows for easier, less detectable boosting via smurfs.

Lol a lot of people boost without duos. I know this because I knew a lot of boosters back in the days and they would play solo in most cases scenarios. Duo queue isn't responsible for elo boosting, it's the people.

Possibility of insta champ locking friends in the lobby taking roles they want so they can play with each other

Solo players do this as well. Don't act like duos are the only ones.

Essentially everything u claimed can be done and has been done by solo players as well. Try posting something that can ONLY be done by duos and not solo players. I guarantee you that u will not be able to find much to have a legitimate post. Essentially this is the main reason why duo queue stayed and trio was removed in s2 I believe or s3. Dynamic on the other hand is obvious...