Either League is Dying or Matchmaking is really shitty.

GigglesO·Aug 21, 2019·26 votes·11,701 views

I'm getting auto filled every 2-3 games. Are you telling me that there are so few of players that we can't have people playing their main roles, or is matchmaking so shitty that riot can't even figure out how to put people in roles they want?

Come on riot. You know exactly whats killing your game. Its doing stupid shit like saying you want to buff yasuo. Its doing stupid this like leaving this damage meta around for too long. We need a good defense back.

I really can't wait for nov 14 and AOE2 DE so I can just leave this game.

32 Comments

Ahri BakaAug 21, 20198 votes

Mid lane isn't the most popular because other roles feel shit to play It's the most popular because of it's champions and the lane that gets the least headache

Support ? You fight with adc Adc ? You fight with the support Jungle ? Your whole team blames you Top ? Fucked up match ups where everything goes there and you get camped by junglers

On the other hand mid lane has non of that Just pick and assassin and follow roams

3TWarriorAug 22, 20191 votes

well, mid lane has yasuo and assassins to deal with, so there's that XD Irelia is there too

Ahri BakaAug 22, 20191 votes

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well, mid lane has yasuo and assassins to deal with, so there's that XD Irelia is there too

Yeah , but you almost deal with that shit by yourself , you aren't expecting anything from anyone

3TWarriorAug 22, 20191 votes

every lane except bottom lane kind of deals with things by itself? junglers fight other junglers, top laners fight other top laners, mid laners fight other mid laners

if you're in a bad matchup, if you do not have the right champion, most of what you can do is ask for help

FullmuteAll playAug 22, 20192 votes

And mid ? You don't get camped by junglers ? It is even better place for camping as jg, as you have way more places to gank from and have both jungle sides.

Ahri BakaAug 22, 20191 votes

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And mid ? You don't get camped by junglers ? It is even better place for camping as jg, as you have way more places to gank from and have both jungle sides.

Yeah but ganks aren't the only reason tho , I said top lane match ups are so fucked up already , 1 gank can really kick you out of the game

ZardoAug 21, 20196 votes

I mean you main the most popular role in the game, what do you expect?

GigglesOAug 21, 201910 votes

Maybe the role is popular because the other roles feel like shit to play?

The only reason mid is popular is because you can actually walk back to tower, and the enemy laner has a harder time stalling minions .

MasterDCloneAug 21, 20199 votes

Since the very beginning of the game mid has been the most popular lane lol, the other lanes don't necessarily feel like shit to play just because mid is most popular. No the big reason it is so popular is the huge pool of champions to pick from, the amount of high skill champions that get played there, most solo carry champion come from mid, you have access to both side lanes when you roam and overall have huge map presence and is essentially the team captain of a team. just to list a few. On top of this people play different roles for all sorts of reasons, my fav role to play is top but i main jg because i one trick shac and he is so much better jg.

ŚhunpoAug 21, 20192 votes

Jungle was actually extremely popular up until they nerfed it so you need half a brain to play it.

MasterDCloneAug 21, 20192 votes

yes you are right jungle used to be really popular, but mid has always been the most popular role in the game. but i dont see what the nerf to jungle has to do with anything i said

ŚhunpoAug 22, 20191 votes

No, mid hasn't been the single most popular role tbh, at least not after the juggernaut update dropped. It kept going back and forth between the 3 solo lanes.

1 Inch and ProudAug 21, 20195 votes

just had 4 mid mains in my silver 3 game. 4.

RavenMagusAug 21, 20194 votes

Can't confirm. I play mid/support or mid/fill and almost always get mid

John WestlinAug 21, 20194 votes

or both. Riot wanna be EA you know, it will go downhill.

ZtokaAug 21, 20193 votes

Matchmaking has sucked as long as I have played league..

Dotty LBAug 21, 20192 votes

I main mid and sub support and get mid most of the time, what are you subbing?

My problem hasnt been getting my lane but getting matched with the right elo ppl.

BugogAug 21, 20193 votes

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My problem hasnt been getting my lane but getting matched with the right elo ppl.

This.

I either get matched against people who can't dodge a skillshot, or people who helicopter dick me for 25 minutes. There's very little between these two extremes.

3TWarriorAug 22, 20192 votes

What horrible abomination of E-peen has the world come to that there is such a phrase as helicopter dick!? XD

Kai GuyAug 21, 20191 votes

Positional mm is my guess. That's still a thing and I bet riots been playing with values to see what impact is made for que times and if it impacts their mmr models standard deviation values.

Some irony if my guess is accurate. Positional mm have a direct response to the issue auto fill makes when some one has only 1 or 2 competent roles in their mmr and half asses filled games, be that because they lack skill or just don't care to try on anything other then their "main" and have the entitlement to think that's not problematic.

Positional ques got gutted because of players not cuz the idea was unsound.

KarunamonAug 21, 20192 votes

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Positional ques got gutted because of players not cuz the idea was unsound.

The idea was inherently unsound. For instance, if you regularly play fill, you got to spend 5x as long as everybody else to climb to the same rank as someone who only plays one position.

Kai GuyAug 21, 20191 votes

Not really unsound. A bigger time investment? Yes. Binding the Gains tighter for "fill" or folks who did multiple roles frequently? That would reduced the time to be less the 5X longer.

Once your in a MMR range that represents your Average performance accurately time to climb becomes forever, so its not like the time to reach the top for the average player is better or worse.

The point was to track how good you play by role. Positional Que ranks did a better job setting that expectation then a single Rating value. Now personally I am of the opinion that your champion pool being shallow means your a weaker player then anybody who gets stuck at the same MMR so I don't think its really necessary to track by role.

Considering how the population is distributed the complaint about it takeing 5X longer despite that most folks don't climb anywhere because they represent the average level of skill? Not looking at that much of a time investment for the folks who get stuck right out of placements.

3TWarriorAug 22, 20191 votes

it's more likely they screwed up the code somewhere by accident, but as players have noted, wins and losses come in odd streaks instead of the likely "win/loss/win/loss"

positional matchmaking was abused like crazy...it would be a horrible idea for them to even attempt continuing it, especially as bad as the feedback already is for mismatched games

xelakerAug 21, 20191 votes

I play support and if I play a single game as anything else, my next match warns me I'm in the auto fill bonanza.

Sightless66Aug 21, 20191 votes

Are you telling me that there are so few of players that we can't have people playing their main roles,

That's not how it works. You could 10 billion players, but if 50% of them want mid, then you're gonna have billions of autofills. Percentage of players wanting a role is what causes autofills, not raw player count.

You play mid, the most popular role, so you're gonna get autofilled. No amount of extra players will fix that.

3TWarriorAug 22, 20191 votes

there are now 3 roles which people quite often do not enjoy playing: support, top and jungle

FullmuteAll playAug 22, 20191 votes

Why don't you play AOE2 now though ?

GigglesOAug 22, 20191 votes

Cause the game is kinda shitty in its current state.

Graphics are terrible, and it needs those QoL updates that the DE is bringing.

Production queue, attack move, automatic farm reseeding, builder queue, AI that doesn't cheat. Game is 20years old. It just doesn't stand up to modern standard gameplay.

Jennifer420Aug 22, 20191 votes

whats aoe2de? de is short for deutsch which is ger(man) lol

GigglesOAug 22, 20191 votes

Definitive Edition.

As in Final update(s) since they are going to support the game afterwards.

Its getting QoL updates that makes the game smoother to play. Like production queues, automatic farm reseeding, zooming in and out, better user interface, and some things like attack move commands instead of having to micro every single unit. Its going to be a pretty big update.

Its pretty hard to compare a game that is 20 years old with one that gets made/remade for todays standards of gameplay.

DukuesAug 22, 20191 votes

How do you drop from d5 past couple of seasons to hard stuck gold? Much less gold 4..... especially when every tier is "worse" or "easier" to get into now?

lol... I mean I know tilt is real but no way someone can tilt 2 tiers lower can they? That be like me playing 900 games and being in silver 4 or bronze 1? I can't play that bad for that many games..... lol. Not that I am good I know I am not... especially yesterday holy fuck I was even worse than normal. But 800-900 ranked games and from d5 to g4? wtf?

I don't want to say boosted or bought account but..... wtf lol.

GigglesOAug 22, 20191 votes

2 words

Morde Rework.

Big surprise I also prefer tank style champs which just don't carry.

On a side note, there is no actual way to carry 1-20 teammates. Doesn't matter what rank you used to be.