Ahri needs a nerf right now

[{quoted}](name=If Ahri Was Real,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EilirgZv,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2015-08-23T17:34:51.996+0000)

And she has been getting nerfs often. Meanwhile .

I could say the same thing for other champs that has been getting gutted more than Ahri but still end up viable still, and dont even forget some got gutted more than her. And also the fact mid laners laning against Ahri while she has a very safe laning phase with low risk and high reward.

[{quoted}](name=If Ahri Was Real,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EilirgZv,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2015-08-23T17:18:30.720+0000)

Considering Talon can drop a full combo in .5 seconds, Zhonyas doesn't actually mean much.

Do you have high ping? Generally I can zhonyas with other mages Talon's combo, so I think you can zhonyas his ult honestly

Not only that people are managing to use Zhonya's or Seraph's shield, but Talon's E has a cast time after the blink ( I don't know how much, but about 0.2-0.3sec), and Q cast time is bugged (there's a thread, but Riot isn't paying attention)

Also forgot to mention that Ahri (and almost every other ranged champion) destroys Talon in laning phase. So he almost always isn't fed enough to 0.5sec combo someone.

Yeah.

BASE mana regeneration.

So for Ahri it means she will get 20 mana every 5 seconds at level 18. Broken OP, no mana costs.

She needs to cast Q/W three times and then cast one more Q to heal.

Clearly that's a free heal.

To put it into perspective: Ahri has to spend a minimum of 215 mana for one heal. That requires her to use W three times(50*3 mana) and then Q once for 65 mana. Because nobody maxes W first it takes Ahri at least 18 seconds to get a heal. Maximum mana spend for a heal is 340, which requires four consecutive max rank Qs.

Ever since they took rune glaive EZ mid in the lcs, they completely destroyed runeglaive. You literally have no reason to build it over a lich bane... lich bane is literally better in every way. Also a good ahri against a talon will wait for his cutthroat, charm him in the face and kill him XD The reason people don't like playing against ahri is because of her ridiculous kiting. But riot did that because they originally gutted her damage really hard.

[{quoted}](name=Ron Pitts,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EilirgZv,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2015-08-24T05:23:29.093+0000)

What I was saying about her W is the bolts will go straight for a minion if the bolt isn't immediately in range of the enemy champion but is indeed in range of a minion. Meaning she has to be right in your face to be sure they all hit you or use it when there aren't minions around.

In any case, you can say she does everything pretty well but that doesn't make it true. It doesn't change her high mana costs and minion blocked E.

And yes, I do say "just dodge nid spears." They're even slower than Ahri's Q. Unless they're coming from a bush/fogofwar you should see them coming, and Nid spears can at least be minion blocked when that isn't the case. Fog of war and bushes aren't things you need to worry about with Ahri's Q though. Her Q isn't that slow, you're right. But it's more than slow enough to dodge if you don't just sit there standing still while you farm. The only ones in mid that have to worry about Ahri's Q are melee AAers without free mobility like Akali and Talon, who you shouldn't really pick into Ahri anyway (though Talon is actually good against Ahri if you play him well).

On top of everything there's counter-picks. There are a few counterpicks that deal with Ahri quite handily. Lissandra, Swain, and Annie just to name a few anti-mobility mid laners. As well there's Yasuo, Leblanc, Diana, Kassadin, and more that can more than easily throw down with Ahri.

ok let me dodge all nid spears im sure i can dodge ALL of them and never get hit by a single one them i won't discuss with someone who thinks nidalee's spears have always been fine