Ahri still needs a nerf

ModBoggyBuntu·Sep 21, 2015·28 votes·1,852 views

Why hasn't she been gutted yet? She's extremely safe and never has a moment where she is weak, she's at all stages in the game above average for mages. Nerf Ahri please

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theragingnerdSep 21, 20157 votes

Ahri early game; very little all in potential and if she messes up she is very easy too kill. ; mid game this is where she is great she shines where she can pick off stragglers. late game; she falls off as all the tanks are tanky

GodarenSep 21, 20156 votes

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early game; very little all in potential and if she messes up she is very easy too kill. ; mid game this is where she is great she shines where she can pick off stragglers. late game; she falls off as all the tanks are tanky

She doesn't fall off late game she is a lot better then like leblanc or zed adc's just are strongest late game instead of mid laners(very few exceptions).

theragingnerdSep 21, 20153 votes

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She doesn't fall off late game she is a lot better then like leblanc or zed adc's just are strongest late game instead of mid laners(very few exceptions).

yeah but really all assassins fall off at a certain point and she does just like the rest of them

GodarenSep 21, 20153 votes

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yeah but really all assassins fall off at a certain point and she does just like the rest of them

I kinda disagree most assasins are almost all single target except for like kat and shes been nerfed to the ground ahri has a ton of aoe damage especially once she gets ludens.

IcyPepperSep 22, 20151 votes

I just thought about it.

Technically she has only one aoe ability. Her W and ultimate are single target locked on, so it's going to hit at max three people each spell, or one target three times.

Zed has his Q and E, but doesn't benefit from Luden's (obviously).

I'm not quite sure how Talon's mechanics work, but I know he has one aoe poke ability and possibly his ultimate?

Akali has one singular aoe, I think the rest of her kit is single target.

Ekko has two aoe and one aoe cc, otherwise his damage is from autos.

Diana has three aoe, although two aren't long-ranged.

Evelynn's Q might count, and her ultimate definitely does. Not very much good aoe on her, though. Her ult isn't very assassin-y

Master Yi's Q hits multiple targets, but I'm not sure that counts as aoe, but otherwise is very much single target.

Leblanc has W, but that's it.

Poppy is single target, if she counts.

Shaco too.

Nocturne may have some aoe? Only played him once >.>

Vi is definitely mostly single target, although her E is aoe and her R can hit multiple targets (for reduced damage).

Lee has his ultimate and E.

Never played Kha'Zix, I admit. I believe he's primarily single-target, especially with his isolation mechanic.

Rengo is definitely "fuck you" single-target.

Riven, if you want to get technical with it, has all her offensive spells aoe (and all her damage, if you get hydra).

Yasuo has his Q and ult I believe can hit multiple targets? Otherwise, his crits are single target.

Anyway, after thinking about this I think assassins have varying levels of being single-target. Ahri is pretty average in that respect, I'd say, and her "kill secure" spell I would say is her charm due to cc allowing her to almost guaranteed kill the target if low, which is a single-target skillshot. So yeah, I'd say Ahri is average in the aoe department >.>

GodarenSep 22, 20151 votes

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I just thought about it.

Technically she has only one aoe ability. Her W and ultimate are single target locked on, so it's going to hit at max three people each spell, or one target three times.

Zed has his Q and E, but doesn't benefit from Luden's (obviously).

I'm not quite sure how Talon's mechanics work, but I know he has one aoe poke ability and possibly his ultimate?

Akali has one singular aoe, I think the rest of her kit is single target.

Ekko has two aoe and one aoe cc, otherwise his damage is from autos.

Diana has three aoe, although two aren't long-ranged.

Evelynn's Q might count, and her ultimate definitely does. Not very much good aoe on her, though. Her ult isn't very assassin-y

Master Yi's Q hits multiple targets, but I'm not sure that counts as aoe, but otherwise is very much single target.

Leblanc has W, but that's it.

Poppy is single target, if she counts.

Shaco too.

Nocturne may have some aoe? Only played him once >.>

Vi is definitely mostly single target, although her E is aoe and her R can hit multiple targets (for reduced damage).

Lee has his ultimate and E.

Never played Kha'Zix, I admit. I believe he's primarily single-target, especially with his isolation mechanic.

Rengo is definitely "fuck you" single-target.

Riven, if you want to get technical with it, has all her offensive spells aoe (and all her damage, if you get hydra).

Yasuo has his Q and ult I believe can hit multiple targets? Otherwise, his crits are single target.

Anyway, after thinking about this I think assassins have varying levels of being single-target. Ahri is pretty average in that respect, I'd say, and her "kill secure" spell I would say is her charm due to cc allowing her to almost guaranteed kill the target if low, which is a single-target skillshot. So yeah, I'd say Ahri is average in the aoe department >.>

A lot of those are not viable at all (shaco, khaz, rengar) and several others are not assasins like riven or yasuo, you are correct she isn't filled with aoe but she also has the combination of high damage and good mobility which few champions have.

AlphariteSep 22, 20152 votes

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She doesn't fall off late game she is a lot better then like leblanc or zed adc's just are strongest late game instead of mid laners(very few exceptions).

Ahri definitely falls off late game. Literally becomes a charm bot.

JasiwelSep 22, 20151 votes

To be fair, that hard CC is more effective than what most other assassins can provide.

TyroneWatermelonSep 21, 20151 votes

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early game; very little all in potential and if she messes up she is very easy too kill. ; mid game this is where she is great she shines where she can pick off stragglers. late game; she falls off as all the tanks are tanky

Early game harras is hard to avoid.Mid game overpowered. late game skill got it because of the mobility.

Maximum MordeSep 22, 20151 votes

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early game; very little all in potential and if she messes up she is very easy too kill.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH Oh god that made me laugh. Bullshit. She messes up, she pushes q and rush away at warp factor 9. She's almost as bad as Zed, Leblanc, and Lee Sin in that department. Can't punish those champs for messing up either. They have to go full retard to actually be punished.

KaelnorSep 21, 20156 votes

Oh look another "(insert champion) is OP, please nerf" thread. How about dodging skillshots? That works pretty well against Ahri . She can't do much if she misses her Q and E, and her W doesn't even do much damage. Her ult is only good for setting up plays, or escapes, so unless she can land stuff she's not much a threat.

ModBoggyBuntuSep 21, 20154 votes

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Oh look another "(insert champion) is OP, please nerf" thread. How about dodging skillshots? That works pretty well against . She can't do much if she misses her Q and E, and her W doesn't even do much damage. Her ult is only good for setting up plays, or escapes, so unless she can land stuff she's not much a threat.

your argument could be used to call anything ever balanced, also if a champ doesn't land stuff they can't be a threat (oh look, op champ CAN miss skills, therefore it's balanced! ) lol, i bet you probably would say any of these phrases: "just dodge the spears" "just dodge blitz hook" "just outplay them"

KaelnorSep 21, 20156 votes

It's not an argument, it's the truth as that's where Ahri is the most frightening, with her Q and E. Otherwise she'll do little damage, and against Diana will suffer major punishment, as Diana can all-in safely and soak up whatever little damage Ahri would try to deal once those skill shots are dodged. Same with a lot of the other champs, mid picks, and JGs that gank a lot.

It's a skill-based thesis not a balance-based one. If the majority emphasized that, then people wouldn't be crying so much, and actually consider nerfs if it truly was said champion is that strong, rather than because they are just bad.

SaltyKrackaSep 21, 20156 votes

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hurf durf muh skillshots

You ahri mains really need to get over yourselves.

KaelnorSep 21, 20154 votes

No you guys need to learn to dodge and not get salty because you messed up. Ahri isn't even my main champ, Diana would be. You can cry OP all you want, but player skill > champ potential.

SaltyKrackaSep 21, 20152 votes

Yes, because as everybody knows, skillshots can't be unbalanced, right? That's why absolutely every pro always dodges every skillshot coming their way, right?

Your argument, not unlike you, is a crock of shit.

KaelnorSep 21, 20153 votes

So I'm a crock of shit because I believe dodging skillshots would help beat champs that are skill shot reliant? Okay whatever. No one said they can't be unbalanced, but dodging them actually HELPS greatly against it.

I didn't say dodge EVERY skillshot, that's nearly impossible, unless you could see the future. Try to see my point, and stop being so dense FFS.

SaltyKrackaSep 21, 20151 votes

So what you're actually saying is "Dodge her spears", yes?

Man, that's some totally new advice that I'm sure nobody has ever given or heard before.

KaelnorSep 21, 20151 votes

It ain't just dodge her spears, it's retaliating, poking/harassing her down when she messes up. If you can at least majorly upkeep your defense, and then hit her back hard it should give you the win.

I'm sorry if you can't understand what I'm trying to say, but honestly I think you and your upvoters are just trolling but okay.

SaltyKrackaSep 21, 20151 votes

So what you're actually trying to say is to abuse her cooldowns if she manages to miss her skillshots.

...Are you actually surprised that nobody is impressed by you repeating the most basic shit?

KaelnorSep 21, 20152 votes

Yeah you're one of the QQ peeps, or just a major troll so im not going to bother.

LintheSep 21, 20152 votes

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You can cry OP all you want, but player skill > champ potential.

At low ELOs... 100% true... In terms of winning, I will ALWAYS prefer someone play a champ they know and like over some FOTM thing they have played once.

KaelnorSep 21, 20151 votes

I'm not saying said champ is unbalanced, just that skills still mean a lot.

Bouncemaster ZacSep 22, 20152 votes

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Oh look another "(insert champion) is OP, please nerf" thread. How about dodging skillshots? That works pretty well against . She can't do much if she misses her Q and E, and her W doesn't even do much damage. Her ult is only good for setting up plays, or escapes, so unless she can land stuff she's not much a threat.

This is patently false. Ahri can completely whiff all of her skillshots and the base damage from her W, her R, Ignite, and item 3285 will still one-shot squishies. Her Q alone is basically an entire kit; it has long range, true and magic damage, multi-target, self-heals, grants a MS buff, and has a low cooldown with a high base damage so it can be used to burst or for sustained poke. Her W gives her guaranteed damage against anyone nearby and also applies the self-heal. E is basically a Blitz hook, you can dodge as many as you want but if one lands you're dead. 0 risk, huge reward. Then there's the cancer that is her ult. 3 fast dashes that unleash better versions of her W and clear terrain, and has a negligible cooldown even at rank 1 with 0 cdr. It's always up. She has far too many options. She can play safe and kite or fly in and detonate someone without even needing to land her skillshots because her guaranteed damage aura from R and W is so huge. She's broken. That's not opinion, it's observable fact.

KaelnorSep 22, 20152 votes

Her self heals got nerfed hard you'd need a item 3146 to make up for it. Even if she hits hard, if she can't land it's not going to help. If one lands I'm dead? Pfft you're either terribly overrating her, or you are bad against her (I think it's the former but who knows...)

I played Ahri many times, she can't kill if she can't hit, and her damage comes from combos, she can't one hit you unless you are far behind. Her Q is a penetrating and boomerang like skill shot it's not multi-target... how did you come up with that? I seriously doubt you even played her before. Her Fox Fire (W)'s damage is so low I wouldn't even use Riven 's Valor(E) to block it.

Go play Ahri , and then come back and tell me what you just did. Everything you said was absolutely out of your butt. Can she do damage and duel and team fight? Yes but she's far from this broken apparition you and those other salty peeps claim she is.

Bouncemaster ZacSep 22, 20152 votes

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Her self heals got nerfed hard and don't even do much til late game even. Even if she hits hard, if she can't land it's not going to help. If one lands I'm dead? Pfft you're either terribly overrated her, or you are bad against her (I think it's the former but who knows...)

I played Ahri many times, she can't kill if she can't hit, and her damage comes from combos, she can't one hit you unless you are far behind. Her Q is a skill shot it's not multi-target... how did you even get that? I seriously doubt you even played her before.

Her E is a one-hit-kill because she can pump her entire combo into, let alone what happens if she has even a single teammate nearby. Yes, she can kill without hitting her Q or E too. W, three R's, Luden's, Ignite. Do you not know what multi-target means? It means it can hit multiple targets. A skillshot can be multitarget. Hers is. I've played her, she isn't hard, and she's just as faceroll as I've described.

EDIT: Nice, you changed the post while I was replying.

KaelnorSep 22, 20152 votes

If she is pumping her entire combo into it, then it's not a one hit kill. Sorry but that was just dumb. Can kill without hitting her E or Q? Those are the prime parts of her damage! Wow you are not funny, nor smart. Just because it can hit more than one person doesn't mean its multi-target. Multi-Target means it AIMS after and hits multiple targets like Fox-Fire, and skill shots don't lock on. Learn what the terms mean.

Show me match history or GTFO. Everything you're saying is uber BS.

Bouncemaster ZacSep 22, 20152 votes

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If she is pumping her entire combo into it, then it's not a one hit kill. Sorry but that was just dumb. Can kill without hitting her E or Q? Those are the prime parts of her damage! Wow you are not funny, nor smart. Just because it can hit more than one person doesn't mean its multi-target. Multi-Target means it AIMS after and hits multiple targets like Fox-Fire, and skill shots don't lock on. Learn what the terms mean.

Show me match history or GTFO. Everything you're saying is uber BS.

I understand your reading comprehension and understanding of the English language is shit, but if one ability guarantees your death, it's effectively a one-hit-kill. If Blitz pulls you into his team and they blow you up, that Blitz Q killed you as it guaranteed what happened afterwards. Ahri's charm hitting you guarantees you'll die with few exceptions, it is a effectively a one-hit-kill. Multitarget means it hits multiple targets. I'm not arguing semantics. Also, E is not a primary part of her damage. Q and W are. E is there for the cc. Now I'm fairly certain that you don't play her. Me being funny isn't relevant as I'm not joking, and one's intelligence doesn't matter when stating facts.

I'm not showing you shit as you've so far been unable to disprove anything I've said and have switched to petty insults, and the only reason you want my match history is so you have fuel for more petty insults. You lose, good day.

Indominus BladeSep 21, 20154 votes

Well said, nerf her idiotic Q movement speed, remove it.

FasmodeySep 22, 20152 votes

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Well said, nerf her idiotic Q movement speed, remove it.

Then increase her damage, you can't like her alone like this. Otherwise you don't need a reason for playing Ahri, it's just a mage with 100 seconds mobility and medicore damage.

TworieSep 21, 20154 votes

Ahri isn't gonna be gutted 'cause she takes skills to play

SwaguaniSep 22, 20154 votes

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Ahri isn't gonna be gutted 'cause she takes skills to play

Best joke gnb 2015

GodarenSep 22, 20152 votes

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Ahri isn't gonna be gutted 'cause she takes skills to play

think you mean cause riot makes tons of her once a month skins.

Mr Broken WingsSep 22, 20154 votes

Ahri effectivly has 1 skillshot because after e q is a free skill. It effectivly is BETTER for ahri to have q as skillshot then a point and click spell. Ahri isnt hard, people just defend their freeelo.

FasmodeySep 22, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mr Broken Wings,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2lypcPnK,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2015-09-22T00:16:23.402+0000)

Ahri effectivly has 1 skillshot because after e q is a free skill. It effectivly is BETTER for ahri to have q as skillshot then a point and click spell. Ahri isnt hard, people just defend their freeelo.

But do you say Ahri is in same level with Riven? Am I deceived by Riven's being hard? So hard to spam resourceless bullshit. Don't saying 600 shield in 2.5 seconds, 2 AOE HARD CCs, and unbeatable damage. Also it's not like Riven has nearly same escape potential. Oh wow, Riven is absolutely balanced and hard to play, sorry for doubt.

Also how a retard argument it is that including E-Q bullshit? You can say it for every champion who has hard cc and at least one skillshot. That's bias dude.

Mr Broken WingsSep 22, 20153 votes

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But do you say Ahri is in same level with Riven? Am I deceived by Riven's being hard? So hard to spam resourceless bullshit. Don't saying 600 shield in 2.5 seconds, 2 AOE HARD CCs, and unbeatable damage. Also it's not like Riven has nearly same escape potential. Oh wow, Riven is absolutely balanced and hard to play, sorry for doubt.

Also how a retard argument it is that including E-Q bullshit? You can say it for every champion who has hard cc and at least one skillshot. That's bias dude.

Riven is a lot harder to play than ahri on a high level, fact. Also ahris first time winrate doesnt differ much from her "mastered" winrate because she ISNT hard to play. Riven is a different story even if you call her bullshit, its fact that she is a hard champion ( first time winrate something around 44% ?) even though gameplay and balance spams this bullshit like " OMG EVERYBODY CAN ANIMATION CANCEL AND AA CANCEL IN LANE EVEN THOUGH NOT EVEN MASTER TIER PLAYER CAN DO IT EFFECTIVLY IN LANE ON MOVING TARGETS LOLOLOL RIVEN JUST SPAMS EVEN THOUGH SHE GETS COUNTERED BY 90% OF THE TOPLANE PICKS AND IF SHE LOSES 1 TRADE IN LANE SHE GETS ZONED LOLOLOL SHE SO EZ". And no, its not bias, I am just sick of ahri being riots love child who is "OK" with a 55% winrate for months while being one of the savest and easiest champions to learn. Riven btw has a lot of abusable moments in lane/ in later stages of the game as well, I dont know why gameplay and bronze needs to bring that champion up always if people talk about real problematic champions. Its a meme to call her "op" and in high elo people fucking report you for picking her/ they call her hyper trash, stop arguing with that bullshit.

FasmodeySep 22, 20151 votes

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Riven is a lot harder to play than ahri on a high level, fact. Also ahris first time winrate doesnt differ much from her "mastered" winrate because she ISNT hard to play. Riven is a different story even if you call her bullshit, its fact that she is a hard champion ( first time winrate something around 44% ?) even though gameplay and balance spams this bullshit like " OMG EVERYBODY CAN ANIMATION CANCEL AND AA CANCEL IN LANE EVEN THOUGH NOT EVEN MASTER TIER PLAYER CAN DO IT EFFECTIVLY IN LANE ON MOVING TARGETS LOLOLOL RIVEN JUST SPAMS EVEN THOUGH SHE GETS COUNTERED BY 90% OF THE TOPLANE PICKS AND IF SHE LOSES 1 TRADE IN LANE SHE GETS ZONED LOLOLOL SHE SO EZ". And no, its not bias, I am just sick of ahri being riots love child who is "OK" with a 55% winrate for months while being one of the savest and easiest champions to learn. Riven btw has a lot of abusable moments in lane/ in later stages of the game as well, I dont know why gameplay and bronze needs to bring that champion up always if people talk about real problematic champions. Its a meme to call her "op" and in high elo people fucking report you for picking her/ they call her hyper trash, stop arguing with that bullshit.

I was high elo player dude, nice trying with last thing. There is no such a thing like this.

Also it's %53, say it right while you're doing it for Riven with saying '' %44 ''.

stealthfox94Sep 22, 20154 votes

Why does this have upvotes??? I assumed it was a troll thread.

GastonBarnaclesSep 22, 20152 votes

Cause she has a very safe overloaded kit with great damage.

Popstar AhriSep 22, 20154 votes

I agree, Idk why riot is so cool about her being the most picked for a long time while being the 2nd highest winrate champ atm.

FowusSep 22, 20152 votes

reduce to 2 dashes

MCBiggah99Sep 22, 20152 votes

Agreed, stand against the Ahri mains my friend.

DJ Di0Sep 21, 20151 votes

Thresh still needs a nerf.

Why hasn't he been gutted yet? He's extremely safe and never has a moment where he is weak, he's at all stages in the game above average for supports. Nerf Thresh please

ModBoggyBuntuSep 21, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=DJ Di0,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2lypcPnK,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2015-09-21T22:59:35.062+0000)

Thresh still needs a nerf.

Why hasn't he been gutted yet? He's extremely safe and never has a moment where he is weak, he's at all stages in the game above average for supports. Nerf Thresh please

is this supposed to be sarcasm? thresh actually needs a nerf

DJ Di0Sep 22, 20151 votes

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is this supposed to be sarcasm? thresh actually needs a nerf

Hmm; is both an option?

JasiwelSep 21, 20151 votes

I'm just curious why Ahri hasn't been nerfed as much as some other successful have been. For example, she had superior statistics (W/L/Pick) everywhere across the board (even LCS) to Viktor and the only place she didn't exceed him was banrate.

After Ahri's recent "nerf", her Pick/Win rates dropped by less than 1%. Viktor's dropped by 3-5%. To continue on to that, Viktor is currently sitting with 47-49% winrate with an 8% pickrate at best...Ahri is at a 53-55% winrate and 15-17% pickrate right now. Viktor was at 50-52% before his nerf with a 10-12% pickrate. If Viktor really was over the top and Ahri wasn't nearly as so, can someone please make sense of these statistics for me?

TurquoiseYoshiSep 22, 20151 votes

Easy, Viktor was a top pro pick.

JasiwelSep 22, 20151 votes

But wasn't Ahri too?

LithiumWednesdaySep 22, 20151 votes

Honestly she feels pretty lackluster atm. For most of the game, she throws Q, repositions, and waits for CD. W isn't very good until you land E, and R is primarily for mobility. In all honesty, I would be fine with getting her damage amp back in exchange for her speed boost because the "move fast bot" playstyle is boring as hell. If I wanted to play a fast champ with CC, I would play Hecarim

1000angrybeesSep 22, 20151 votes

Ahri has a decent early game, a great mid game (where she really snowballs and is hard to kill), and late game is a complete toss-up between pretty good, above average, and extremely medicore. Late game is absolutely dependent on team comp, and the enemy team's capabilities. Squishy teams, generally Ahri has her way with them, whereas if it's 2+ tanky champs she's really gonna have a hard time unless she effectively coordinates with her team.

Also, that's incredibly not true about her not being weak. She is decently powerful (as a mage/assassin should be- think malzahar or LB), and safe (also LB), but she's not always useful, especially in tanky comps.