What do you think about Zilean?

magic pole··2 votes·563 views

I can see how pre-"balance" Zilean was a bit toxic. Point and click massive nuke that could quickly become oppressive in bot lane. At the same time, he was so squishy, and had huge mana costs early on, that landing a Death sentence or some hard CC on him was almost a guaranteed kill. High risk, high reward. Also, his ult CD being reduced by his W was effectively a GA every team-fight. Fun yes but I'm not sure about balanced.

Idk though, now he just seems more trouble than is worth it. His Q now imo is one of the hardest skill shots to land in the game. Xerath ult basically on his Q...say what you will but i think it is very difficult. Seems like he's been shitlisted but i am wondering what anyone thinks about his changes/possible ideas to help him out.

Now he seems insanely high risk, very little reward. Does not help that landing his Q on a champion in a minion wave is even harder since the darn things like to hop to minions.

it's rather infuriating to have to micro so hard to land some bombs on say Garen , while he just point and click kills you with one rotation.

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Lugg2 votes

He is a massive lane bully. It is so easy to poke people out of lane with him. Out of lane, he has some problems. It is very hard to be impactful in teamfights if you don't get off the Q-W-Q stun combo and ult the carry at the right time. He is very close to being viable. I think a change to his passive is what he needs.

Maximum Zilean2 votes

Only thing he is missing is a good passive. His current one is just terrible since they nerfed it to a short range aura instead of global. And I understand why they nerfed it, global aura passives are just terrible and add to much hidden power to other lanes.

Its just now the exp boost he gives is so lacking that this passive might as well not exist. There is tons of space to work off of for a cool new passive on him based on his theme. Maybe something to alter the cooldowns of allies?

Chuck Charles1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maximum Zilean,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EgldGPcx,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-09-05T20:57:30.622+0000)

Only thing he is missing is a good passive. His current one is just terrible since they nerfed it to a short range aura instead of global. And I understand why they nerfed it, global aura passives are just terrible and add to much hidden power to other lanes.

Its just now the exp boost he gives is so lacking that this passive might as well not exist. There is tons of space to work off of for a cool new passive on him based on his theme. Maybe something to alter the cooldowns of allies?

rather than cooldown of allies as an active...I think it would be cool if he could undo stuff similar to his ulti but just not on the impactful level of say an ekko ult or his own ult. like you could do cooldowns, refund their mana cost in the past X amount of time, heal dmg taken, etc.

Nexustect1 votes

Zilean is love or hate, no in between, I personally love him, his kit has so much synergy and utility. He only has 1 damaging spell yet he wreaks havoc with it! But only having one damaging spell is also a huge downfall, he has very little kill potential, and a very weak kill secure.

Chuck Charles1 votes

zilean is very close to being viable. the rework was perfect. i mained zilean last season when I was a new player due to the nature of his utility and kit. he has high dmg, great utility, and a GA that is probably the best ultimate in the game. currently he takes longer to scale which is fine because his late game scaling with 30 second GA is insane. and his bombs have a 0.9 ap ratio...and you can rewind and do 2 every 4 seconds. so thats not the highest dps...but for you can do quite a bit of dmg. not to mention if they clump up in a team fight..his new AOE giant stun is sleeper strong. its basically like an ultimate type stun with how big the aoe is and how long it lasts...but its on a 4 second cooldown. granted it rewards the player who can land the two bombs fast enough. I absolutely love his new kit. the only thing I think he needs honestly is probably a new passive. the exp passive is a throwaway and I never ever notice getting an adv from it even when I went with a mordekaiser in bot lane. the skillshot on the Q could be a little bit easier to land...but not much. because that AOE stun is so good.

magic pole2 votes

nice I'm glad you still like him so much. I've been a wuss and scared to play him lately, because last time i did i couldn't land a damn Q.

you make me wanna bring him back thx :D

Chuck Charles1 votes

[{quoted}](name=magic pole,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EgldGPcx,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-09-05T20:27:08.007+0000)

nice I'm glad you still like him so much. I've been a wuss and scared to play him lately, because last time i did i couldn't land a damn Q.

you make me wanna bring him back thx :D

no problem, you just like anyone else...have to actually practice him. he still has same weakness of needing perfect positioning and ult timing though. one trick though...is if its safe to do so...use your slow on them first and then double bomb. you can E, Q, W, Q, E once stun ends, rinse repeat. and there isnt much they can do. granted in lane phase this isnt viable due to mana costs..but you get my point. use your slow for easy bombs. but know that you have to be sure it is safe to do so.

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