Then help build it. Don't instalock a pure damage, no cc, champ, then tell me we need a tank when I'm last pick. Don't tell me what or how I should build, saying "But your champ is supposed to be a X". If you want a tank, then you play one.
Billy VoHagen4 votesYasuo top, Ahri mid, adc, and blitz support. Last pick jungle locks in Kindred.
"Holy shit we don't have a tank, why didn't you guys pick one?"
I fucking love it dude.
YumaS2Astral2 votes[{quoted}](name=Billy VoHagen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Efn92YFP,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-04-07T01:40:12.067+0000)
Yasuo top, Ahri mid, adc, and blitz support. Last pick jungle locks in Kindred.
"Holy shit we don't have a tank, why didn't you guys pick one?"
I fucking love it dude.
That's one of the reasons why I like to play top lane. I like to pick those tanky dudes with CC and then be the frontline of my team. Most people do not like being the frontline, and I don't know why; it is very fun to be hard to kill and disruptive, even if you are not doing a lot of damage yourself (but I always try to focus on tank items that help me do more damage, such as Sunfire Cape and Iceborn Gauntlet).
This way, I can let the rest of my team pick those non-CC squishies without the worry of lacking a frontline. My only concern by doing that is when someone else on my team actually decides to pick a tank, but then, our ADC picks something that is not an hypercarry. I hate when this happens because my team will lack damage and late game potential.
Oh, and that's why I don't play 
nearly as much as I used to. This guy does a lot of damage, and sustains like a god, but he lacks any useful CC. Yes, I can buy 
, but that does not help a lot, especially if enemies have 
. If I pick him I am at the risk of making my team lack CC.
Only Play Darius1 votesPeople don't necessarily dislike playing tanky tops because they dont want to frontline. It's because ranged tops are meta now, and if you really want a fair chance in lane you either need to play another ranged or a melee like Yas/Fiora who can kill ranged (but can't frontline). For fighters and most tanks without massive armor steroids, at worst they will zone you and rush your turret, at best they will farm while staying away from you and you won't be able to kill them to snowball, which is important in solo queue.
I don't know if you pick Darius/Nasus/Garen/Singed etc. into Quinn top but i'm never doing that shit again, I don't care what my team needs. You simply cannot do anything to her unless you are ranged or an assassin.
YumaS2Astral1 votes[{quoted}](name=Jelly Mac,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Efn92YFP,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2016-04-07T09:13:07.812+0000)
People don't necessarily dislike playing tanky tops because they dont want to frontline. It's because ranged tops are meta now, and if you really want a fair chance in lane you either need to play another ranged or a melee like Yas/Fiora who can kill ranged (but can't frontline). For fighters and most tanks without massive armor steroids, at worst they will zone you and rush your turret, at best they will farm while staying away from you and you won't be able to kill them to snowball, which is important in solo queue.
I don't know if you pick Darius/Nasus/Garen/Singed etc. into Quinn top but i'm never doing that shit again, I don't care what my team needs. You simply cannot do anything to her unless you are ranged or an assassin.
On those situations, I tend to play safe, and start stacking armor before going for items like The Black Cleaver or Rylai in Singed's case. Starting with damage is not always the best idea, even if your champion has synergy with it.
Yes, you will be zoned and will still lose a bit of farm, but it's better to survive and be able to outscale them than take the risk of getting an early game pick that can beat them but will be outscaled later.
Only Play Darius1 votesThat's the funny thing about ADC's, they out scale most tops and thanks to Steraks can often survive against them too.
YumaS2Astral2 votes[{quoted}](name=Jelly Mac,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Efn92YFP,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-07T10:47:07.615+0000)
That's the funny thing about ADC's, they out scale most tops and thanks to Steraks can often survive against them too.
Yes, but a team with tanks will always outscale a fully squishy team, as the tanks will survive damage and ravage the enemy team with their CC, allowing their carries to do damage. An offensive champion by itself will outscale a defensive champion, offensive items scale better, and offensive spells and stats scale better too. However, defense is still necessary late game, otherwise the team with the most team reliant carries would always lose. The game would be all about who had the best dueling potential and who became fed first.
Waffletimewarp1 votes[{quoted}](name=Jelly Mac,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Efn92YFP,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2016-04-07T09:13:07.812+0000)
People don't necessarily dislike playing tanky tops because they dont want to frontline. It's because ranged tops are meta now, and if you really want a fair chance in lane you either need to play another ranged or a melee like Yas/Fiora who can kill ranged (but can't frontline). For fighters and most tanks without massive armor steroids, at worst they will zone you and rush your turret, at best they will farm while staying away from you and you won't be able to kill them to snowball, which is important in solo queue.
I don't know if you pick Darius/Nasus/Garen/Singed etc. into Quinn top but i'm never doing that shit again, I don't care what my team needs. You simply cannot do anything to her unless you are ranged or an assassin.
Singed actually isn't a bad pick against Quinn. You just need to be smart and rush thorn mail components before the standard roa/ rylais. Since you hard counter her vault with fling And have better resistances.
Only Play Darius1 votesBlitz is a tank
Variks the Loyal1 votesSo much this.
Also, a Juggernaut is not a proper tank, neither is a Bruiser. They can be offtanks, but if you try to pick a tank and lock in Darius or Nasus, you aren't actually helping the team.
Ackelope1 votesI disagree. Sure, they don't provide all that a tank does, but they do often provide a tanky meatshield, which is still often better than than what it could have been.
YumaS2Astral1 votesI disagree. Sure, they don't provide all that a tank does, but they do often provide a tanky meatshield, which is still often better than than what it could have been.
Also, they still provide some CC. Nasus has the strongest slow in the game, which also happens to be targeted; this can be incredibly useful to shut down the enemy ADC. Darius provides a small slow and his pull. His pull does not help with engages at all, but allows Darius to peel for one of his carries late game.
That said, I agree that generally a proper tank will do better late game. Not only they have way more CC, but they are also more durable thanks to their defensive steroids. For example, a Nautilus will do much better than a Nasus late game, thanks to him having more CC (slow, pull, root, knockup, all that in one kit) as well as having a better defensive ability (a shield that scales with his maximum health and has a cooldown as low as 10 seconds assuming 40% cooldown reduction; compare this to Nasus' ult, which doesn't scale, has a long cooldown, and is his only defensive steroid)
Variks the Loyal1 votesI disagree. Sure, they don't provide all that a tank does, but they do often provide a tanky meatshield, which is still often better than than what it could have been.
Better, sure, but you'll just get beaten in a different way. If a Juggernaut is your only tanky champion, your entire team will just get kited while they whittle the Juggernaut down.
A Juggernaut lacks the engage and the lockdown to actually initiate and sustain a good teamfight. An actual tank offers that in spades, and is immensely more useful.
[{quoted}](name=Moulin Rouge,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Efn92YFP,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-04-07T01:43:19.995+0000)
Hey he hey I only play mid and ADC so I have a reason to get annoyed lol. Apart from trash tier morde there arent many tank mids. Only beefy mids like vlad and chogath.
Galio makes a great mid lane tank.
BeatzBoyFTW1 votesMFW our 5th teammate picked Support Sona, and in mid-game, complains about team not having a single Tank:
Hatless Casual1 votesMFW our 5th teammate picked Support Sona, and in mid-game, complains about team not having a single Tank:
Never complained about a lack of a tank, just people putting themselves in bad situations that could have easily been avoided.
main.Moulin Rouge1 votesHey he hey I only play mid and ADC so I have a reason to get annoyed lol. Apart from trash tier morde there arent many tank mids. Only beefy mids like vlad and chogath.
YumaS2Astral1 votes[{quoted}](name=Moulin Rouge,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Efn92YFP,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-04-07T01:43:19.995+0000)
Hey he hey I only play mid and ADC so I have a reason to get annoyed lol. Apart from trash tier morde there arent many tank mids. Only beefy mids like vlad and chogath.
Cho'Gath can be thougth as a mid lane tank, thanks to his CC. Generally it is better to build him AP when going mid, but there is nothing preventing you from building tank if your team already has another AP carry. Most of time is still better to build AP, though. Cho'Gath's ratios are too good to pass up, and he is still very durable even with an AP focused build.
Annoxis1 votesThere is Galio too, if you want.
