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So, what's the CONS of Riven?

Soda Popkillski··1 votes·940 views

Appearantly this forum believes Riven is balanced. Well if so, tell me her Cons.

Here's the pros: -Ridiculously amazing early-game -AD scaling shield/dash at extremely low cooldown. AKA one of the best shields in the whole game -Mobility. One of the highest and most versitile in the whole game -Massive potential if skilled -Can be 1v1 almost anyone even if extremely wrecked early-game -Ult that gives both a pretty huge basic attack buff for a long time, and a ridiculously high-damage, high scaling, AOI. -Generally absolutely ridiculous damage -Amazing snowball potential, which works perfectly with her great early-game

So. Cons. Pls. And then we'll see which triumpths which.

All actual cons given from feedback: -Little range. -Vournerable to silences and Ryze's snare. -Slightly underwhelming late-game if the player is somehow terrible enough to fail early-game. And not, not fail to snowball. But fail. Even 5/5/5 Riven's are amazingly strong. -Low attack speed (minor con)

PS: From what i've seen this forum also believes Ahri isn't on the top of top tier.

26 Comments

djjomon6 votes

-High skill cap -Is essentially forced into building glass cannon. (Arguably not a con) -Low attack speed -Expensive build path after the 2nd item or so

Soda Popkillski1 votes

-High skill potential* She's easy to play. She's fuckin easy to play. But hard to master. I wouldn't count that as a con. -That's not a con.... -Extremely tiny con -You say that like there is only 1 build. And that expensive items aren't redeemed with being straight up bette.r

These aren't cons mate.

djjomon1 votes

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-High skill potential* She's easy to play. She's fuckin easy to play. But hard to master. I wouldn't count that as a con. -That's not a con.... -Extremely tiny con -You say that like there is only 1 build. And that expensive items aren't redeemed with being straight up bette.r

These aren't cons mate.

Oh I get it now. This is one of those "I'm right because you're wrong" threads.

masterdragon4811 votes

To add to your list

Extremely weak against roots. When she is rooted, she can't shield which makes the fact that she is forced to build glass cannon a bigger problem.

No easy way to close on enemy team While she does have high mobility, if she is using her abilities to close the gap, she isn't using them for CC or damage (or blocking damage). Unless she has flash or hard engage elsewhere on the team, it is very hard for Riven to perform in the late game.

Jaygo415 votes

If set behind sucks serious wang

SmokinSickStyle1 votes

Like 99% of non utility based champs, and besides she has enough CC to be an annoying b!tch even if she doesn't deal considerable damage.

Jaygo411 votes

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Like 99% of non utility based champs, and besides she has enough CC to be an annoying b!tch even if she doesn't deal considerable damage.

if she's set behind, she gets blown up... you can't have melee cc and not be tanky and expect to not blow up

SmokinSickStyle1 votes

So does any other champion that is behind?

Really, stop hiding behind a finger.

Name me a champ similiar to Riven whose purpose is dealing dmg not blow up and be "useless" if his team\him are behind.

Jaygo411 votes

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So does any other champion that is behind?

Really, stop hiding behind a finger.

Name me a champ similiar to Riven whose purpose is dealing dmg not blow up and be "useless" if his team\him are behind.

well at least you're starting to catch on dmg champs when put behind are supposed to suck wang that's like.... the tradeoff by picking a tank, you offset this tradeoff you're instead really tanky and you have a lot of CC, but certainly can't hard carry

femmé3 votes

no health regen so if she fucks up a play she'll be screwed early on no mana and this is a pro and con because she just has cooldowns however buying items like frozen heart on her will not give you the most bang for your buck. not defending riven btw everything about her is bullshit and I hate seeing her in games (ad scaling shield....) but she is a balanced champion....for the most part

Soda Popkillski1 votes

Wut. That's just not a feature, not a con :|

And don't forget the 180-360% ad scaling ult.

ZeeDrakon3 votes

-the ridiculous early game is easily countered by EVERY top tier toplaner atm, aswell as some others, really easy to counterpick -Shield has very little value since your building glass cannon and no resistances -Mobility holds a lot of her damage, she has few damage if you force her to use her Qs simply as gapcloser -CANT 1v1 many other bruisers/assasins lategame, even though most fights are skill matchups -High skill cap is a pro and a con -incredibly useless when behind -easily focused down and taken out of teamfights in the lategame by 1 cc. she cant E when cced and you can easily burst her down -burst is avoided by positioning pretty easily -has a big potential of beeing outplayed due to flashing/dashing 1/2 of her combo for example -easily poked out of lane -due to no ranged abilities even weaker in hard matchups, aswell as beeing terrible at sieging and getting sieged upon -really expensive items, no sustain early

Soda Popkillski1 votes

-She isn't countered by any toplaners -.- Except for partly Garen. Mention 1 other toplaner she can't stomp early. -I wouldn't call double health bar at a 5 second cooldown "little value" -Her cooldowns are ridiculously low. Wasting them on a fight won't do a thing. And any non-idiotic Riven player knows how to use their Q -She can 1v1 pretty much all assassins if not fed. And she can 1v1 a ton of bruisers. Due to a shield that gives her essentially 10x her health bar through a fight. -Any normal player would play her normally, a pro riven player would stomp like a 5 man lee sin team. -She's still amazing if built with 1 tank item. And she's never left behind in her current state. -She also has flash lmao. -Once again, low cooldown shield is still a thing. -True dat. -Expensive items are better. And no sustain isn't a con, it's just a feature she doesn't have.

ZeeDrakon3 votes

and thats the last proof i need that you have no clue what your talking about. maokai hard counters her, sion irelia do well and liss, whilst fallen out of favor hard counters her aswell. garen isnt that problematic, you just need to trade in other ways than usual

yea cause 250 shield is doubling her health bar.

Q with CDR has 12 sec CD at rank 5. thats in no way ridiculously low. and you can easily punish her with positioning

she cant 1v1 zed. yasuo is hard. she cant 1v1 Diana. she cant 1v1 darius. she cant 1v1 maokai. she cant 1v1 irelia. she cant 1v1 trynda.

Ehkrickor2 votes

Vulnerable to CC, squishy in addition to having no sustain, shield is difficult to time with its duration of 1.5 sec,

Soda Popkillski1 votes

She's immune to slows. And stuns aren't long enought to get her killed. As she tends to be immortal at all other times.

Soda Popkillski1 votes

Though I must admit, she is pretty decently vournerable to CC, but not more than any other glass cannon out there.

Shadow Gilgamesh2 votes

Cons:

-A significant amount of her power is tied to an unintended bug that Riot kept around, but doesn't tell people about in tooltips or anything. -If she does bad in lane despite being super strong early, she sucks ass lategame. -Doesn't start with any sustain (solved by 800 gold item 1053, but still)

Soda Popkillski1 votes

-That's not a con before it's fixed. -Well if you do that bad you shouldn't even be playing this game. -A ton of champs doesn't have sustain. This isn't a con.

Toothierosprey31 votes

She gets countered hard by anybody with sustain, spammable ranged poke, or good burst damage. She actually has a lot of counters, like getting outsustained and poked down.

warpenguin5552 votes

hard to learn and worthless late game if not fed

Sir ArmaMalum1 votes
  • Incredibly vulnerable to silences
  • Useless while snared
  • Only defensive portion of her kit is her E, and if down is incredibly squishy
  • Very feast/famine, if she doesn't get kills early she's relatively screwed
  • Q is the majority of her kit, while down she is very vulnerable with the missing mobility and passive procs
  • Little to no sustain w/o lifesteal

Most people have an issue with Riven because she, like Katarina, Akali, Fiora and other high damage snowbally champs is able to hold onto her momentum easier than most. Most notably because of her hyper-scaling with AD. Her early game defines her late game. If she doesn't get kills early she won't be able to burst anyone down easily. She's the epitome of 'kill or be killed' if she can't bring someone down with a combo then she dies.

Soda Popkillski1 votes

-AKA vournerable to certain CC, in which barely any champs have. And anyways, major snares (major, so ryze's doesn't count) are currently all skillshots. Try to hit someone moving at the speed of homeguard Hecarim with a skillshot. Though I can agree with silences. -It's never down. The cooldown is ridiculously low. Yeah and this is just not a feature, not a con. -Not screwed. She still has CC and pretty major damage. -No. Her Q, E, and R are the majority of her kit. She's still able to back off with a simple E and wait for the cooldown to end. -That's just not a feature, not a con.

Sir ArmaMalum3 votes

It's never down. The cooldown is ridiculously low. Yeah and this is just not a feature, not a con.

It's down for longer if you cc her before she can use it. The shield doesn't give her health back.

Try to hit someone moving at the speed of homeguard Hecarim with a skillshot

I'll give you slow missile speed shots like Morg snare are difficult, but otherwise that's a major exaggeration. she has one short dash unless she wants to give up 1/2 of her damage (her Q) to dodge. You should not be having that much trouble.

Not screwed. She still has CC and pretty major damage.

Her entire kit, Q, W, E, R and passive scale with ratios. Meaning that if she doesn't have the AD from her build she can't do much. She literally cannot run on her base damage alone, and if a 0.75 sec knock up and a 0.5 sec stun manage to screw you over then the problem is your positioning not Riven's kit.

No. Her Q, E, and R are the majority of her kit. She's still able to back off with a simple E and wait for the cooldown to end.

For the first bit: reference above. Second bit: gratz you've forced her to use her E to get away, taking her only defensive spell out of the game for a few seconds. No, it's not much time, but it's a noticeable advantage.

That's just not a feature, not a con.

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colesy1 votes

i think you should actually take riven in to ranked, get your face kicked in a few times by literally any top lane meta pick and then come back and think about her cons yourself.

TheDevice1 votes

it's kindof funny reading these. lol They try so hard though :P

Just so many little thing that are put under these huge magnifying glass as if they're ... huge lol

Most of them will just downvote anyways to prove their point :D

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