A post against the removal of Rageblade because of Vayne

Best Kog NA·4/22/2019, 8:23:43 PM·7 votes·4,079 views

I see a lot of people saying that it's time to just remove Rageblade because of the interaction with Vayne's silver bolts, however if Riot does this without any compensation buffs to Varus or Kog it'll just kill them. I can only speak as someone who plays Kog'Maw but if Kog wasn't allowed to build rageblade that would just kill him. Basically what I'm saying is that the problem isn't Rageblade, its Vayne's silver bolts interacting with Rageblade. If Riot were to just disable Silver bolts interacting with rageblade much like they did with silver bolts and runnans then it would solve the issue without hitting kog and varus.

Not every champ that builds rageblade is super oppressive, Kog and Varus rn are bottom tier adcs and they have rageblade as their core item.

42 Comments

Crispy0Snake4/22/2019, 8:34:00 PM8 votes

People don't care about rageblade too much, an item that makes you grow in power as you attack is a good idea

the "apply on hit effects twice" part, phantom hit, is the bad part htat you don't really want. You can easily compensate on hit champions too, it's just that riot sees phantom hit as something that's fun

Hammermancer4/22/2019, 8:44:49 PM5 votes

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I see a lot of people saying that it's time to just remove Rageblade because of the interaction with Vayne's silver bolts, however if Riot does this without any compensation buffs to Varus or Kog it'll just kill them.

varus and kog had multiple playstyles before rageblade and frankly could just get number tweaks

Not every champ that builds rageblade is super oppressive, Kog and Varus rn are bottom tier adcs and they have rageblade as their core item.

actually the thing about rageblade, is that it breaks the hard cap rules of the game meaning certain champs will always be so strong with it that they wont be able to Not build it as a repercussion for that potential power spike. they will be buffed and nerfed around rageblade. this is my same objection with spear of shojin

some things are too good with it, get forced into the rageblade style, and then just get to be the apex or outmoded by other rageblade champs in their niche.

NaughtyWord4/22/2019, 9:04:32 PM3 votes

I would say that if Vayne is broken with a item 3124 but KogMaw and Varus aren't, then the problem lies with Vayne not .

The thigh guy4/22/2019, 8:36:55 PM2 votes

Kog would be fine with rageblade being gone if they gave him back his 5.0 attackspeed.

Varus on the other hand, would need a large amount of buffs. He needs buffs now tbh.

fire2634/22/2019, 8:48:47 PM2 votes

Although not all posts state it, many of the posts saying to remove rageblade also mention to add compensation buffs to champions such as Kog and Varus, and possibly Kaisa although I believe she will be fine without rageblade. If they do remove rageblade though, I don't think anybody would really be against giving Kog or Varus compensation buffs as even now they are not performing the best compared to other ADC's, but I would rather they make Phantom Hit not be able to double stack true damage on hit effects (such as Yi's wuju style or Vayne's silver bolts), as true damage just doesn't have much counter and making it so champions can't double stack true damage effects with rageblade would imo make it much more balanced.

Shahamut4/22/2019, 8:41:06 PM2 votes

I think reverting to an AP/AD/AS stacking item (no more pen, no more PHANTOM HIT) is the best thing. Just my opinion, but that was my favorite version of the item.

It was niche to be sure, but for champions who are hybrid scaling and rely on auto attacks, it was a great item.

heroikc4/23/2019, 2:53:13 AM1 votes

I'd rather remove the resistance melting passives given it's kinda overkill.

Slythrin Umbreon4/23/2019, 6:54:22 AM1 votes

If Rageblade was Removed, Kog would probably just go back to building item 3078 Which... Does less damage, but honestly might be better for him, since at least it provides some independence and safety.

VoraciousX4/23/2019, 7:50:43 AM1 votes

I'd rather revert rageblade back to before they decided to buff it for the sake of Yi. Make it give attack speed, AD, and AP, but no scaling. The item was fine before it kept getting reworked over and over, no one complained about it. Just bring it back to it's more basic iteration. Phantom hit isn't the problem, I mean, with Vayne it kinda is, but the fact that it also gives penetration just makes it more likeable on AD champions. Keep in mind that penetration also works with BORK, which deals physical damage. Vayne didn't build it at all back then, so she likely wouldn't if it was reverted now.

Starcall4/23/2019, 9:47:24 AM1 votes

Varus and Kaisa are probably the strongest adcs in competitive right now. Vayne isn't the problem with Rageblade. Rageblade is the problem.

Vlada Cut4/23/2019, 9:57:31 AM1 votes

Fuck rageblade. Vayne MasterYi Kaisa would've been balanced if there wasn't for that item. Unhealthiest most broken item in the game I'd pick item 3161 over Guinsoo's any day.

Saianna4/22/2019, 9:01:45 PM1 votes

what if rageblade reduced basic attack damage by 50%, but instead buffed the on-hit effects by some %? No phantom hits or anything like that bs

Just random thought.

LordGeovanni4/22/2019, 10:57:05 PM1 votes

I acutally dont care for the double hit. If anything make it so that true damage spells dont interact with rage blade. I will say again rage blade needed an increase in base stats it gave to be a useful item but it didnt need to change its passive from what it was in season 3