For the love of fuck, nerf Graves already.

Flamingdusk·9/25/2018, 7:00:27 AM·99 votes·18,516 views

Here's his E:

Gets 15 x 8 bonus armor as long as he is auto attacking, for a max of 120 fucking armor, might I add that it's on a fucking dash.

Here's his passive:

Does a maximum of 140-200 (based on level)% AD physical damage WITHOUT CRITICAL STRIKE CHANCE.

Does 261.33 to 373.33 (based on level)% AD physical damage if he crits.

Here's his W:

insta-cast 50% slow that blinds you like a nocturne ult.

Here's his R:

60 second cooldown, not even accounting for CDR, does 250 / 400 / 550 (+ 150% bonus AD) damage, and can be used as an escape and go push him over walls.

To put things into perspective here, CertainlyT is a fucking moron for reworking Graves like this, and the fact that Graves has been in this broken ass state for 3 God damn months, but the balance team is just fucking oblivious.

Like I understand that a champion is always going to be top teir, but he doesn't be dashing onto me and auto critting me for 1311 damage with item 3095 item 1412 item 3031 item 3046.

That is fucking obscured, especially when he gets red smite with PD and 120 armor for free, I actually cannot kill him at all.

67 Comments

TheSingularity9/25/2018, 9:37:39 AM49 votes

You missed the part on how he is the only champion with monster knock back that allows him to effortlessly, brainlessly and cleanly clear the jungle.

Where as in the past, but still post graves rework I could jungle with Velkoz Brand Jhin Vayne KogMaw Draven, none of whom come close to having a tool as perfect for jungling as that.

Meanwhile a majority of jungle tanks have horrid clears struggling to stay above 50% hp, which is also slow af, can't fight for scuttle and can't effectively solo dragon/herald.

If his existence depends solely on this stupid passive, then he shouldn't have it

BLIGHTBRINGER9/25/2018, 9:37:47 AM39 votes

God I just want Stormrazor gone from this game, the item is legitimately terribly designed. 100% free crit to anyone who wants it, quality item.

SweedishGunner9/25/2018, 12:57:13 PM19 votes

Wait CT was the one behind the Graves rework? Godamn the memes write themselves.

Daddy Ants9/25/2018, 10:39:19 AM15 votes

Remove Stormrazor and compensate the WEAK ADC's who are only viable because of it.

Aka Caitlyn Tristana Sivir Xayah

Kloak9/25/2018, 9:50:00 AM15 votes

His clear speed is God like as well.

Alzon9/25/2018, 3:00:29 PM10 votes

Graves has consistently been a huge balance issue since his rework, not just these past three months. The best way to deal with a Graves is to give him everything he wants and wait for him to make a mistake, otherwise you die and he keeps doing what he wants. What a joke.

Beatrice falls9/25/2018, 2:37:04 PM10 votes

It's even more bs when a Graves without a single defensive item can face-tank a duellist item 1412 item 3812 item 3046 about time they stop adding offensive item that provide better defensive stats than defensive items

Noor Sakata9/25/2018, 12:57:01 PM8 votes

You didn't talk about the one of most cancerous ability in his kit .. His Q is also strong his kit is over loaded after all

BIFF9/25/2018, 1:39:54 PM5 votes

His meteoric rise is a product of the meta. Before stormrazor and the scuttle wars he was a b tier jungler. He is hard countered by any form of AP.

Sadly though the scuttle meta's proclivity towards early game AD dueling dominance & runic echoes nerfs earlier this season has really given graves the gauntlet.

I would rather see them move more of the XP baxk into other camps/ and get rid of this stormrazor crutch then nerf graves. I believe that would be more healthy for the game in general.

But from what weve seen from riot this past year. Just pull out the nerf bat and be done with it. At this point just fook up graves and spare what little dignity is left in the rest of this game instead of trying to do real balance work.

ForFoxSakes9/25/2018, 4:10:49 PM4 votes

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Like I understand that a champion is always going to be top teir, but he doesn't be dashing onto me and auto critting me for 1311 damage with item 3095 item 1412 item 3031 item 3046.

That is fucking obscured, especially when he gets red smite with PD and 120 armor for free, I actually cannot kill him at all.

WTF is that Graves build. He doesnt go IE

rubberduckie6669/25/2018, 1:54:01 PM3 votes

honestly they should just revert graves at this point :/

Chad Chadlainn9/25/2018, 3:51:39 PM3 votes

I can take the retarded tankiness. I can stand the ridiculous burst. I can ignore the dumb jungle clear. But for the love of whatever deity exists, why does his W have a huge slow? He's already coming at me with red buff and ranged autos with a dash, he doesn't need that shit. It's the most frustrating thing to be ganked by.

demoted to iron9/25/2018, 11:52:20 AM3 votes

coming from someone who used to play Graves, he's been busted for 3-4 months. Build redsmite warrior, bc, phd, ninja tabi and facetank the enemy team while doing fucktons of damage

CLG Splitarshan9/26/2018, 12:19:20 PM2 votes

I cant believe people in the chat are comparing Graves' jungle clear with other ADCs in the jungle. Guys, Graves is a ''ranged'' auto attack champ but he is not an adc and cant be compared to adcs, in fact Graves is as bad in the bot lane as most ADCs are in the jungle.

Also Graves is really weak against ranged mages since he got his MR stacking removed, he suffers a lot against ranged foes and his armor stacking doesnt really mean much in a full on teamfight. It helps in 1vs1 and small skirmishes but thats what the champion is good at, in a 4 or 5 people teamfight he is just a very low range auto attack damage dealer.

EchoZeero9/25/2018, 2:09:46 PM2 votes

I agree because I love fuck.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

Slim Gragas9/25/2018, 3:53:17 PM2 votes

Inc graves OTPs defending him

Echostormxx9/25/2018, 4:22:03 PM2 votes

I love doing negative damage to graves.

Rock MD9/25/2018, 9:52:35 PM2 votes

Graves damage has almost never been his problem.

It's the pseudo-tankiness he gets from PD Cleaver Red smite that makes him so difficult to go against.

It's fine to have champions that deal a lot of damage, and certainly okay to have ones that have to get up close to dish it out. It's not okay that we can't fight back because Red Smite makes it impossible to burst him.

Grimlock8409/25/2018, 10:14:04 PM2 votes

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Here's his E:

Gets 15 x 8 bonus armor as long as he is auto attacking, for a max of 120 fucking armor, might I add that its on a fucking dash.

you know seeing a graves with all 8 stacks is probably one of the rarest things in game right? like your asking him to have dashed 8 times without ever leaving combat long enough for the stacks to drop off.

Succubús GF9/26/2018, 6:19:47 AM2 votes

CertainlyT is a fucking moron

ilu

Inkling Commando9/26/2018, 8:22:24 AM2 votes

oh honey. if you gonna cry out to nerf a champ get your fucking facts straight. his ult (without cooldown reduction) is 120 sec, not 60. and at max rank it is still 96 sec. besides i dont think Graves is a high priority for nerfing. would you rather have Graves plow into you with 200 dmg and armor or Jhin come at you at mach 2 and do like 400 crit dmg with item 3006 item 3095 and item 3094 every auto attack? think about it.

HÔPÊ9/26/2018, 4:57:09 PM2 votes

The fuck is wrong with Riot. How can they not see that Graves is broken since the beginning of S8. Its 19 patches in a row for fucks sake.

exorcise11/8/2018, 3:36:39 PM1 votes

still waiting for the nerf

Sugar Momma9/25/2018, 3:06:13 PM1 votes

Why are you cussing so much sweety, do you think it makes you sound edgy or get your point across better?