I hate Poppy.
Does so much damage you can't ignore her, yet if you focus her you lose. That's a fine goddamn line to walk when going against a champ.
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The Bíg Ticket3 votesI still remember when I made a thread how broken she is shortly after her rework pointing out the exact same things as the op and only earned downvotes lmfao. Low elo kids on the boards need months to understand which champs are strong.
I knew right off the bat. Even took Poppy as Supp a few times (low elo still has yet to learn to use her bot)
MysteriousBootie1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Bíg Ticket,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EYQXEmJl,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-03-30T19:23:05.534+0000)
I still remember when I made a thread how broken she is shortly after her rework pointing out the exact same things as the op and only earned downvotes lmfao. Low elo kids on the boards need months to understand which champs are strong.
"only n00bs disagree with me"
The Bíg Ticket2 votesOnly noobs disagree with me and then agree once the majority agrees with me*.
swordishforce3 votesShe is getting nerfed.
SlaktarTasken1 votesShe is getting nerfed.
And compensationbuffed.
swordishforce2 votesIt's a buff against targets who stack health and a nerf against any squishy so all in all seems like a good way to go.
SlaktarTasken1 votesIt's a buff against targets who stack health and a nerf against any squishy so all in all seems like a good way to go.
The question is rather, why does she need to be effective against health stacking targets at all? She already provides alot of utility and durability for her team as a tank, does she also need to be a tankslayer? I'm tired of these generalist "do it all yourself" champs.
Ruin Lance3 votesall these people trying to compare poppy to other tanks that do damage without realizing that champs like garen don't have the ridiculous amounts of cc and disrupting power that poppy does. what poppy does is pretty much assassinate the carry, and it's extremely hard to get away from her, especially once she has her items.
Sohleks3 votesIt's not just her dmg and tank tho, like a 
, what really brings her over the line is her disruption and somewhat sticky nature on top of that.
Malhammers2 votesShe does so much early burst damage. Does VERY little sustain and falls off HEAVILY (damage-wise) late game. People make the mistake of engaging her (or being engaged on)...getting stunned, shield throw, q, auto, second q..all while being shielded and negating the damage you quickly give back to her but are afraid to say in because she just chunked 1/5 of your health instantly with her full combo. Well, her full combo can only happen once ever 17 seconds (passive cd duration) and is completely reliant on stunning you against a wall. SOOOO...don't stand in front of a wall and stay on her when she engages on you because once her damage has been done you have 17 seconds of free wailing on her before she is a threat again.
SlaktarTasken1 votesShe does so much early burst damage. Does VERY little sustain and falls off HEAVILY (damage-wise) late game. People make the mistake of engaging her (or being engaged on)...getting stunned, shield throw, q, auto, second q..all while being shielded and negating the damage you quickly give back to her but are afraid to say in because she just chunked 1/5 of your health instantly with her full combo. Well, her full combo can only happen once ever 17 seconds (passive cd duration) and is completely reliant on stunning you against a wall. SOOOO...don't stand in front of a wall and stay on her when she engages on you because once her damage has been done you have 17 seconds of free wailing on her before she is a threat again.
She doesn't need to stun anyone to a wall to win trades, I can't remember the last time I've gotten stunned against a wall outside of jungle during laning phase, her innate sustain allows her to make bad trades and still come out on top, thanks to her deceptive and massive defensive steroids. I literally never get hit by the second component of her Q in lane, yet she's still a b*tch to beat despite that.
Her shield toss is just another crutch mechanism that doesn't belong on this champ at all, why should she get free ranged harass to help her wear down her opponents and farm when she already has such a strong kit and excellent sustain?
Malhammers2 votesShe doesn't need to stun anyone to a wall to win trades, I can't remember the last time I've gotten stunned against a wall outside of jungle during laning phase, her innate sustain allows her to make bad trades and still come out on top, thanks to her deceptive and massive defensive steroids. I literally never get hit by the second component of her Q in lane, yet she's still a b*tch to beat despite that.
Her shield toss is just another crutch mechanism that doesn't belong on this champ at all, why should she get free ranged harass when she already has such a strong kit and excellent sustain?
If you aren't getting hit by poth q procs, nor are you being stunned against a wall....you should not be losing lane. Her all in capabilities are AWEFUL.
SlaktarTasken2 votesIf you aren't getting hit by poth q procs, nor are you being stunned against a wall....you should not be losing lane. Her all in capabilities are AWEFUL.
I do not agree.
SlaktarTasken2 votesIf you aren't getting hit by poth q procs, nor are you being stunned against a wall....you should not be losing lane. Her all in capabilities are AWEFUL.
Yeah, they are so garbage, that's why she's never contested in LCS.
[zombie-brand-clap]
Virgin Ray2 votesHer Q Scaling is too high. I had 45 AD and dealt 230 ad with q.
LadyRenly2 votesI've hated Poppy since Day 1, but for the longest time, you could never say it without getting downvoted because she was the epitome of balance or something. I am just glad Riot is finally addressing her.
SlaktarTasken1 votesI've hated Poppy since Day 1, but for the longest time, you could never say it without getting downvoted because she was the epitome of balance or something. I am just glad Riot is finally addressing her.
Amen sister.
67chrome1 votesDoes so much damage you can't ignore her, yet if you focus her you lose.
Most tanky champions in LoL have that dynamic.
You can usually slow them to make them really immobile and save them for last though. Sure many have a gap closer, but it's not exactly difficult to force your opponent to use their 1 gap-closer and then punish them for it. Perma-slowed tanky DPS is sad tanky DPS, as melee DPS also does 0 DPS when they can't get in melee range.
SlaktarTasken2 votesMost tanky champions in LoL have that dynamic.
You can usually slow them to make them really immobile and save them for last though. Sure many have a gap closer, but it's not exactly difficult to force your opponent to use their 1 gap-closer and then punish them for it. Perma-slowed tanky DPS is sad tanky DPS, as melee DPS also does 0 DPS when they can't get in melee range.
Most tanks also deal negligable damage and can't solo assassinate carries, Poppy can, rather easely, sadly.
67chrome6 votesMost tanks also deal negligable damage and can't solo assassinate carries, Poppy can, rather easely, sadly.
These guys: 
all do pretty impressive damage what with being tanks.
Also: all fighters are tanky DPS, Poppy is a fighter and not a tank.
Tanks = Tanky +CC Fighters = Tanky +DPS
Fighters like:
Are all quite capable of not only making glass-cannons shatter into a million pieces, but they're also quite capable of matching and exceeding the damage vs. enemy champions field in the post-game screen vs. carries with amazing regularity. Many are carries, or at least quite close to being a carry, in their own right: differing from carry-rolls like assassins, mages, and marksman more by them relying heavily on defense to survive long enough to do their job rather than relying heavily on speed or range.
In most instances they do the same damage, or at least have the same overall threat and impact with dealing damage, as other damage-focused rolls.
Given the shenanigans of champions like Amumu, Naut, and Malphite: I'd also say this:
Most tanks also deal negligable damage and can't solo assassinate carries, Poppy can, rather easely, sadly.
Is false.
Even in regards to tank supports like 
that are supporting and have less gold to work with than everyone else; assuming a tank is going to do little damage is not a safe, reliable, or true assumption to make in most cases.
And again: Fighters are not tanks in regards to LoL terminology.
Sure: that statement is true in several games, especially turn-based games like Pokemon or Final Fantasy where defense and offense are the only directions a character can have strengths in.
Not in LoL.
In a comparison between 
and 
: Ziggs doesn't get a ton of damage and a ton of range in exchange for Poppy having a ton of defense. Ziggs simply gets a ton of range while Poppy gets a ton of defense. Both deal pretty similar levels of damage when it counts.
Ralanr6 votesDid you just call Sion a fighter?
SlaktarTasken2 votesThese guys:
Also: all fighters are tanky DPS, Poppy is a fighter and not a tank.
Tanks = Tanky +CC Fighters = Tanky +DPS
Fighters like:
Are all quite capable of not only making glass-cannons shatter into a million pieces, but they're also quite capable of matching and exceeding the damage vs. enemy champions field in the post-game screen vs. carries with amazing regularity. Many are carries, or at least quite close to being a carry, in their own right: differing from carry-rolls like assassins, mages, and marksman more by them relying heavily on defense to survive long enough to do their job rather than relying heavily on speed or range.
In most instances they do the same damage, or at least have the same overall threat and impact with dealing damage, as other damage-focused rolls.
Given the shenanigans of champions like Amumu, Naut, and Malphite: I'd also say this:
Is false.
Even in regards to tank supports like
And again: Fighters are not tanks in regards to LoL terminology.
Sure: that statement is true in several games, especially turn-based games like Pokemon or Final Fantasy where defense and offense are the only directions a character can have strengths in.
Not in LoL.
In a comparison between
Tanks are disruptive, Poppy has a displacement skill with an attached stun, an aoe slow and aoe knockaway/aoe knockup depending on how she uses her skills.
She is disruptive in a way Darius and Volibear could never pretend to be, and they are primarily fighters just as their role description indicate. Poppy is not primarily a fighter, that's her secondary role.
Spout your nonsense all you want. She's a tank, period.
Ozag the Mighty1 votesEhem... Garen.../cough
alasarcher1 votesWhy would u lose if u focus her?
SlaktarTasken2 votesWhy would u lose if u focus her?
Because she will just ult knockup your whole team or knock your tanks/fighters away for an easy instagib on your carries. Not to mention her defensive steroids that are of the just "WTF" class, I hate champs that have unessesarily complicated mechanism like: If X - Y = Z : Recieve additional damage resistance.
She's a tank with assassination mechanics, it's a combination that's never healthy.
AnonymousPoro1 votesThey're nerfing her base dmg on PBE down to 115 at the highest level, but raising her HP% damage to 7% so she'll still be effective against tanky champs.
MysteriousBootie1 votesKinda like 
So tired of the poppy QQ
less QQ more PEW PEW
SlaktarTasken2 votesKinda like
So tired of the poppy QQ
less QQ more PEW PEW
There are only two tanks there, I'll let you figure out which ones are tanks and which ones are fighters/juggs yourself.
MysteriousBootie1 votesThere are only two tanks there, I'll let you figure out which ones are tanks and which ones are fighters/juggs yourself.
poppy is clearly designed to be a fighter so what's your point?
SlaktarTasken2 votespoppy is clearly designed to be a fighter so what's your point?
If she was intended to be a fighter primarily, don't you think that would be her primary role in her description? Who's right on this? You or Riot (you know, the people that made this game).
Fighters aren't as disruptive as Poppy, most fighers don't have defensive steroids remotely close to that of Poppy, so the quesiton is rather, what is YOUR point?
Astôlfo1 votesYeah because Riot's labels always make sense. Oh wait.
SlaktarTasken1 votesYeah because Riot's labels always make sense. Oh wait.
They sure make a good deal more sense than your personal opinion.
Astôlfo2 votesUh, and what's my personal opinion that I haven't even said? Please, do tell.
SlaktarTasken1 votesUh, and what's my personal opinion that I haven't even said? Please, do tell.
Clearly that she isn't a "tank" she's a fighter coz derp whatever.
Astôlfo1 votesUh, I was just saying that Riot's labels aren't necessarily all reasonable. Poppy is a dual tank/fighter, but goes pretty much full tank in most current builds now because she still does a decent amount of damage without having to build as such.
SlaktarTasken1 votesUh, I was just saying that Riot's labels aren't necessarily all reasonable. Poppy is a dual tank/fighter, but goes pretty much full tank in most current builds now because she still does a decent amount of damage without having to build as such.
You seem to be missing the point, nearly all champions except a select few have a primary and secondary role. Voli is primarily a fighter, due to the nature of his kit, and a tank secondary because he does have some ability to disrupt and because of the way he builds.
Does that make him a tank? No, he's a fighter. He doesn't have enough defensive steroids or ability to disrupt to be considered a tank, even his passive is primarily geared at keeping him alive to continue dishing out damage at low health.
Vayne is an adc primarily and an assassin secondarily, does that make her an assassin? No, she is an adc no matter how you flip the coin. But her playstyle is reminiscent of an assassin, hence the tag.
Do you see where this is going?
Not calling Poppy a tank when she is EXTREMELY disruptive, has mediocre sustained DPS (unlike more pure bread fighters) while having burst reminiscent of tanks and most of all, builds and has inbuilt steroids geared at having her disrupt and burst for her team as long as possible, how can she not be a tank?
Does she have fighter traits? Definately, but guess what, most tanks actually do.
Does that make her a dual classer, sure, but no more than any other champ with a secondary role.
You can say dual class this, dual class that, whatever man. She is a tank, no matter how you look at it. She's about as pure a tank as they come.
Astôlfo1 votesthe point -> . . . your head [zombie-brand-facepalm]
SlaktarTasken1 votesthe point -> . . . your head [zombie-brand-facepalm]
An informative and well though out argument.
[zombie-brand-clap]
Ralanr2 votesHer kit is more focused on disruption and control rather than outright damage. She just does a lot of conditional damage.
AlwaysByMySide4 votespoppy is clearly designed to be a fighter so what's your point?
Q is a slow that relies on its percent health damage rather than its scaling to do damage (like many tanks), W is a tank and movement speed steroid that also disrupts enemies by stopping dashes, E is a displacement and a conditional stun, R is a potential five man knockup which can disrupt team fights immensely by knocking the front line clean out of the fight.
She's a tank.
SlaktarTasken1 votes[{quoted}](name=Memeglaive Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EYQXEmJl,comment-id=0005000000000002,timestamp=2016-03-30T21:06:37.177+0000)
Q is a slow that relies on its percent health damage rather than its scaling to do damage (like many tanks), W is a tank and movement speed steroid that also disrupts enemies by stopping dashes, E is a displacement and a conditional stun, R is a potential five man knockup which can disrupt team fights immensely by knocking the front line clean out of the fight.
She's a tank.
Only Play Darius1 votesSo, do you like Darius?
SlaktarTasken1 votes[{quoted}](name=Jelly Mac,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EYQXEmJl,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2016-03-30T19:25:20.075+0000)
So, do you like Darius?
No, I don't like him at all, but I'd rather lane against him 100 times than lane against another Poppy. He has far more clearly defined weaknessess and strenghts to play around.
YumaS2Astral1 votesNo, I don't like him at all, but I'd rather lane against him 100 times than lane against another Poppy. He has far more clearly defined weaknessess and strenghts to play around.
Lol wut. Poppy doesn't have sustain. Poppy doesn't make the life of any melee champion a hell. Poppy does not have executes. Poppy is actually possible to 1x1. Poppy does not have insane base stats. That is all unlike Darius.
Linna Excel1 votesBasically they wanted her to be a tank, but since she doesn't have much CC in her kit and they didn't want her to build like an assassin again, they had to give her good base damage. I think without being able to do damage, her old fans would completely hate the rework.
SlaktarTasken1 votes[{quoted}](name=Linna Excel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EYQXEmJl,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2016-03-30T19:41:33.627+0000)
Basically they wanted her to be a tank, but since she doesn't have much CC in her kit and they didn't want her to build like an assassin again, they had to give her good base damage. I think without being able to do damage, her old fans would completely hate the rework.
Aoe slow, aoe knockup, targeted aoe knockaway, displacement with an attached stun... "doesn't have much cc".
[slayer-jinx-unamused]
Sire Hippington1 votesshe's got quite some nerfs on PBE, so that line might get a bit wider
AATTRROOXX1 votesMaybe that's why she's getting freaking nerfs, do your researvsadfvhjkasdhvanfsldkvajhblsdf http://www.surrenderat20.net/p/current-pbe-balance-changes.html
SlaktarTasken1 votesMaybe that's why she's getting freaking nerfs, do your researvsadfvhjkasdhvanfsldkvajhblsdf http://www.surrenderat20.net/p/current-pbe-balance-changes.html
Mmm, your salty tears are delicious.
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