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Yes, Lee Sin's Win rate is 50%+ Now, here's why

DorkunedAuras·Nov 28, 2016·6 votes·903 views

Yes, As anyone who takes a casual glance at the Gameplay boards will know, Lee Sin has, for the first time in ages, passed 50% win rate. Everyone is talking about the different nerfs he needs to push him back below, yet very few people are asking what pushed him above. Lots of people have theories, but in the end he hasn't been touched in a few patches now, and his win rate spiked tremendously this patch in particular, so something had to happen now. And it did.

Krugs LESSER KRUG EXPERIENCE 5 ⇒ 15 (Ancient Krug and Krug unchanged)

That change right there kinda broke the jungle. It's now possible for Junglers to get lvl 3 by clearing 2 camps, Red and Krugs. Any early pressure jungler, Such as Lee Sin, can then go on to gank a lane at 2:30 with lvl 3 and a red buff, which is absolutely insane map pressure. This change is the reason his win rate has skyrocketed.

Now, Riot has already stated that this lvl 3 cheese strat was an oversight, and they will fix it. Let's wait and see what happens to the Blind Monk once he can't do that crap next patch. See how far his win rate drops back down.

17 Comments

Zero Skill TankNov 28, 20163 votes

Lee was over 51% even before Krug change. What overbuffed him was mastery and jungle changes. Fresh Blood is his wet dream. And it's much easier for him to bully champions who struggle with new jungle.

He will need nurfs even if Krug cheese is removed.

RexSaurNov 28, 20163 votes

He was already overpowered before that patch though.

SGT Dingle BerryNov 28, 20162 votes

I honestly don't even see why they should fix it, bot lane just needs to pay attention and stop pushing their damn lanes all the time.

Zero Skill TankNov 28, 20161 votes

It might as well be toplane, and this strategy is much more deadly if you can gank toplane, because toplaner is alone.

Very Hard EngageNov 28, 20161 votes

the issue is his insane sustain, he rarely backs for health and he can go from near death to full hp just by clearing a red..... without lifesteal.

if he were at all - not full hp - when he ganked things would be quite different, especially how much damage he takes from the camps. but its meaningless because he heals it right back up.

RalanrNov 28, 20161 votes

Basically depending on which side the enemy red is on, the laner should be careful for an early gank.

dakota saturnNov 28, 20163 votes

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I honestly don't even see why they should fix it, bot lane just needs to pay attention and stop pushing their damn lanes all the time.

Bad reply. Having a jungler gank you at level 3, when you are still level 1 is fucking ridiculous. That is season 1 levels of broken, when Shaco used to do it with red elixir.

You're bad and should feel bad.

EDIT: Oh, bronze 2. K.

GrimspeakeNov 28, 20163 votes

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Bad reply. Having a jungler gank you at level 3, when you are still level 1 is fucking ridiculous. That is season 1 levels of broken, when Shaco used to do it with red elixir.

You're bad and should feel bad.

EDIT: Oh, bronze 2. K.

Theres no need to bash on him for being bronze when ur on a forum only account because u dont want everyone to see ur silver 5 and u upvote urself lol nerd

dakota saturnNov 28, 20162 votes

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Theres no need to bash on him for being bronze when ur on a forum only account because u dont want everyone to see ur silver 5 and u upvote urself lol nerd

He is suggesting that bot lane is 'pushing' at level 1, and blames the laners for getting ganked by a level 3 lee sin who has all of his full mobility and enough damage to kill an adc in a single rotation, and if anyone gets killed by this, it's their own fault.

Oh, I'm sorry that I was 5 feet from turret and lee ward hops into the middle of the lane and oneshots me like season 1 Shaco. A death that early in the lane will set bot lane back for the rest of laning phase because of a balance oversight.

Riot already admitted they fked up, and this dude is trying to talk down to people. That's obnoxious.

GrimspeakeNov 28, 20161 votes

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He is suggesting that bot lane is 'pushing' at level 1, and blames the laners for getting ganked by a level 3 lee sin who has all of his full mobility and enough damage to kill an adc in a single rotation, and if anyone gets killed by this, it's their own fault.

Oh, I'm sorry that I was 5 feet from turret and lee ward hops into the middle of the lane and oneshots me like season 1 Shaco. A death that early in the lane will set bot lane back for the rest of laning phase because of a balance oversight.

Riot already admitted they fked up, and this dude is trying to talk down to people. That's obnoxious.

Actually riot said they made it intentional and all u have to do is ward 30 seconds earlier on red side bot lane or blue side top lane. There is counterplay to it. U also need 9 minions for lvl 2 in botlane dontchu?

dakota saturnNov 28, 20161 votes

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Actually riot said they made it intentional and all u have to do is ward 30 seconds earlier on red side bot lane or blue side top lane. There is counterplay to it. U also need 9 minions for lvl 2 in botlane dontchu?

If you really expect anyone to believe this is healthy gameplay, and supported by Riot, you're dreaming.

Tell the blood-drenched Best Buy employee trying to sell you a dead baby I said "hi".

GrimspeakeNov 28, 20161 votes

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If you really expect anyone to believe this is healthy gameplay, and supported by Riot, you're dreaming.

Tell the blood-drenched Best Buy employee trying to sell you a dead baby I said "hi".

Whats wrong with you? Is it that hard to ward at 230. U shouldve already been warding at 3 if u arent a boosted monkey

dakota saturnNov 28, 20161 votes

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Whats wrong with you? Is it that hard to ward at 230. U shouldve already been warding at 3 if u arent a boosted monkey

Ward recharge timers are ridic. long at that level, and lee sin can take an alternate route. I don't know why I'm bothering to even respond to you - level 3 lee sin vs a level 1 bot lane is retarded. This topic proves that. They already said they are getting rid of it, I don't know why you are spending so much time defending such a cheese strategy, unless you are trolling, which I suspect.

Not wasting any more time on you, as you're likely a Lee Sin main trying to defend a broken strategy.

EDIT: Yup, as I suspected. Someone abusing Lee Sin this season, trying to argue that this isn't completely broken. Shocked.

GrimspeakeNov 28, 20161 votes

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Ward recharge timers are ridic. long at that level, and lee sin can take an alternate route. I don't know why I'm bothering to even respond to you - level 3 lee sin vs a level 1 bot lane is retarded. This topic proves that. They already said they are getting rid of it, I don't know why you are spending so much time defending such a cheese strategy, unless you are trolling, which I suspect.

Not wasting any more time on you, as you're likely a Lee Sin main trying to defend a broken strategy.

EDIT: Yup, as I suspected. Someone abusing Lee Sin this season, trying to argue that this isn't completely broken. Shocked.

ur just as bad as the people im playing against on this account

dakota saturnNov 28, 20161 votes

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ur just as bad as the people im playing against on this account

Eyeroll. Future posts from you will be ignored.

SwaggyMcGhee420Nov 28, 20161 votes

Red side should be able to push for level 2 just as safely as blue side. As of now, pushing for level 2 is much riskier for one side than the other, which isn't fair at all.

GrimspeakeNov 28, 20161 votes

Lee can gank top on red side start at 2:36 after red krug. Its great cheese cuz no one has bothered to learn about it yet

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