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Vallalan6 voteshe needs minor to moderate nerfs. his lane phase is oppressive, but it should still be strong even after they nerf him. I hate jhin, I think he's toxic in lane, but he is severely limited outside of lane in what he can do. he can either stand a mile away and do utility for his team with his ult and W or risk being focused down with no way of getting out when he goes in for autos. he is probably the most immobile adc who has no way of slowing you down or stopping you from getting to him. Even MF has a slow and a strut refresh. Ashe has a volley slow. Jhin is the most immobile adc so if you gut him too much he won't be worth playing.
that said, his lane phase is simply way too good right now and I think his base AD scaling is also too good since it encourages him to build the raw armor pen items (duskblade/ghostblade) then going into crit attack speed item and being super strong early and being super strong mid/late. if they nerf his scaling AD then he will have to build the crit build to scale like before which is when he felt pretty balanced. Jhin was never intended to be rushing armor pen I believe.
Astôlfo4 votesUh, Dusk/Ghost build on him is only good for a snowball-intended path against squishies and then against tanks in early game. The crit build on him is far better. So no, I wouldn't say he's really encouraged to go just for straight armor pen. But then again, those items (Cleaver/Dusk/Ghost/etc) should never have been usable on ADCs in the first place in general.
But yeah, ApexCH is basically just like "let's pretend reload doesn't exist so i can qq more" Yeah Jhin is too strong right now, but it's nowhere near the level to warrant this kind of thread.
Vallalan2 votesUh, Dusk/Ghost build on him is only good for a snowball-intended path against squishies and then against tanks in early game. The crit build on him is far better. So no, I wouldn't say he's really encouraged to go just for straight armor pen. But then again, those items (Cleaver/Dusk/Ghost/etc) should never have been usable on ADCs in the first place in general.
But yeah, ApexCH is basically just like "let's pretend reload doesn't exist so i can qq more" Yeah Jhin is too strong right now, but it's nowhere near the level to warrant this kind of thread.
the crit build scales better at around 3 items yes. its better. but if you understand league of legends you will get more damage out of a ghostblade rush than rushing essence reaver. strictly speaking at one item, ghostblade is better. and at two items duskblade/ghostblade is better than reaver/zeal item. after that the crit item starts to outscale, but you shouldn't be playing for 3 items. you should be trying to be as strong as possible as early as possible. this is why lucian was so sstrong with ghostblade/cleaver over the reaver/zeal item/IE build. the crit build on lucian was far superior in dps to the ghostblade build, but the ghostblade build spiked way sooner and allowed him to take over the game.
Astôlfo2 votesYeah, I agree with you on that. Hence, my comment about it relying on you snowballing because if you don't snowball and crush them, then later in, after said early, the crit build would be better instead.
But ADCs shouldn't even be able to use those items in the first place to be honest.
Vallalan2 votesYeah, I agree with you on that. Hence, my comment about it relying on you snowballing because if you don't snowball and crush them, then later in, after said early, the crit build would be better instead.
But ADCs shouldn't even be able to use those items in the first place to be honest.
i think they should be an option for those willing to take the risky gameplay pattern and be stronger early, but right now Jhin abuses it too much. Lucian was nerfed and he feels fine even with the ghostblade build, but Jhin needs one as well.
Astôlfo4 votesIf you're going to make a QQ thread, at least attempt to have some sort of valid point(s). Even just one.
Shaydrox3 votesEh he's atm just a tad bit too strong, now that people have figured out how to use him. His ultimate does so much damage, the full 4 shots can kill a squishy alone and the slow makes it hard to miss a shot after the first as well, but I'm not sure this is the broken part about him.
Rivuo2 votesEh he's atm just a tad bit too strong, now that people have figured out how to use him. His ultimate does so much damage, the full 4 shots can kill a squishy alone and the slow makes it hard to miss a shot after the first as well, but I'm not sure this is the broken part about him.
If we're disregarding his broken ass ult. The other reason hes broken is because
Normal adcs ( MF/Cait/Ashe/Sivir/Lucian-etc) Start with around .75 attack speed.
Jhin starts with roughly .65 attackk speed
That means You need to auto jhin 10 times for you to notice an extra auto on him compared to how much he autos you.
Of course this is disregarding the reload system but lets be honest 
What the fuck is a reload system when each bullet hits you for triple the damage a normal auto does?
Then we have to talk about his ability to Auto-Q-W-Auto right away which is retarded burst.
Astôlfo3 votesSoo.... Let's just pretend his static 2.5s reload time doesn't exist. Within 6.4 seconds, Jhin attacks 4 times. Within 6.4 seconds, the other ADCs you listed attack over 8.5 times. Nice math there though.
Graves and Jhin are nothing alike. Graves has insanely high damage and/or utility on his abilities as well as a way to instantly reload. And it would help if you'd stop overexaggerating. And no, he will not auto-Q-W-auto you instantly.
Rivuo1 votesSoo.... Let's just pretend his static 2.5s reload time doesn't exist. Within 6.4 seconds, Jhin attacks 4 times. Within 6.4 seconds, the other ADCs you listed attack over 8.5 times. Nice math there though.
Graves and Jhin are nothing alike. Graves has insanely high damage and/or utility on his abilities as well as a way to instantly reload. And it would help if you'd stop overexaggerating. And no, he will not auto-Q-W-auto you instantly.
Where? Where did you get those numbers from? You just literally pooped numbers out your ass and said it to me.
Where did you get 6.4 seconds jhin attacks 4 times and other adcs attack over 8.5 times
Show me
Astôlfo5 votesI got the numbers from you. No need to be an ignorant ass about it.
Jhin has 0.625 AS (checked on Wiki). 4/0.625 = 6.4 seconds to AA 4 times for Jhin 6.4/0.75 = 8.5333 (3 repeating) = 8.5333 AAs in 6.4 seconds
Now with Jhin's static reload time, it goes to: 8.9 seconds = Still only 4 attacks from Jhin 8.9/0.75 = 11.8666 (6 repeating)
So within 8.9 seconds, Jhin attacks 4 times. Within 8.9 seconds, every other ADC you're talking about has attacked 11-12 times. They've attacked almost 3 times as many times as Jhin has.
Rivuo1 votesI got the numbers from you. No need to be an ignorant ass about it.
Jhin has 0.625 AS (checked on Wiki). 4/0.625 = 6.4 seconds to AA 4 times for Jhin 6.4/0.75 = 8.5333 (3 repeating) = 8.5333 AAs in 6.4 seconds
Now with Jhin's static reload time, it goes to: 8.9 seconds = Still only 4 attacks from Jhin 8.9/0.75 = 11.8666 (6 repeating)
So within 8.9 seconds, Jhin attacks 4 times. Within 8.9 seconds, every other ADC you're talking about has attacked 11-12 times. They've attacked almost 3 times as many times as Jhin has.
You took my numbers and included the reload system. Thats where you got the bullshit poop numbers from. I said in my post if we disregard the reload then you'll dish out about 10 autos when he dishes out 9.
Please read my post before you continue. So what can you infer about that? You can infer if the jhin can properly retreat to reload after 4 shots. He will always hit harder and nearly the same speed.
That was my point. Thank you for mis-reading.
Astôlfo5 votesUh yeah, let's just ignore a key critical balance feature to a champion so we can call them OP by pretending said balance feature doesn't exi- oh wait that's not how discussion works. That's how QQing works. Try again.
Without his reload, he autoattacks 4 times in 6.4 seconds. Every other ADC you listed attacks another 3-4 times in said 6.4 seconds. Now after his 4th, he has to reload which takes 2.5 seconds. The enemy ADC isn't just going to sit and drink tea while he reloads, of course they'd still attack. Jhin will die before he even gets to finish reloading. It takes 8.9 seconds for him to shoot 4 times and then reload. In that time, every other ADC you listed will have attacked him 11-12 times already.
Jhin also doesn't usually build crit outside of IE and RFC. He builds pure AD instead mostly. Just about every other ADC will build attack speed and crit as well as AD. Jhin's attack speed cannot change. Jhin's critical damage is also reduced overall (the total crit) by 25%. So within those 11-12 autos every other ADC will do, they will probably crit on at least 5-8 of them. Meanwhile, Jhin will have to bet everything on those 4 autos.
Who's pulling assumptions out of their ass now? You're just assuming he can properly and safely retreat after every 4 autos. And no, it's not even close to the same speed.
Since you're so enthusiastic about the 10-9 autos thing, I'll do the math for that too.
6.4 for 4 shots + 2.5 reload + 6.4 for 4 shots + 2.5 reload + 0.625 for the 9th shot = 18.425 seconds to autoattack 9 times 10/0.75 = 13.333 seconds for every other ADC to attack 10 times. 18.425/0.75 = 24.5666 = Almost 25 auto-attacks from every other ADC in the time it takes Jhin to auto-attack 9 times.
That was my point. But sure, keep pulling random made-up math, incorrect points, exaggerations, and flat-out lies from your ass. It really helps your argument seem more legitimate.
I Am LeJhindary5 votesHi. Read the name.
So you're saying Jhin should get an AD nerf because you are unable to press your advantages as any of the other ADCs listed. In order to make this a thread that regards your personal deficiencies less, and targets the game more, you choose to blatantly ignore the reload mechanic "because why does it matter when he hits 3x as hard anyway", which is incorrect math, by the way. Good job ignoring the part of his kit that he is (largely) balanced around, when suggesting a change. lol.
You also failed to acknowledge the other person replying to your thread, so feel free to do that.
Rivuo1 votes[{quoted}](name=I Go LeJhindary,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ETyQLd7T,comment-id=0001000000000000000100000001,timestamp=2016-07-28T23:03:41.845+0000)
Hi. Read the name.
So you're saying Jhin should get an AD nerf because you are unable to press your advantages as any of the other ADCs listed. In order to make this a thread that regards your personal deficiencies less, and targets the game more, you choose to blatantly ignore the reload mechanic "because why does it matter when he hits 3x as hard anyway", which is incorrect math, by the way. Good job ignoring the part of his kit that he is (largely) balanced around, when suggesting a change. lol.
You also failed to acknowledge the other person replying to your thread, so feel free to do that.
''So you're saying Jhin should get an AD nerf''
Nope. Never said that. So i will choose to ignore the rest of your paragraph after your first sentence because you just claimed i said something i didnt.
If i wanted to nerf jhin, Id take away his slow from his ult Entirely and give his first 3 shots some extra scaling.
Astôlfo3 votesSo when are you going to make an actually valid post?
I Am LeJhindary3 votesWhat are you saying then? He should get a nerf to his AS? Which he gets no increase to aside from base levels? And, of course, you would ignore the rest of the paragraph because it's valid. lol.
I would advise that you actually state what it is you want changed, instead of offering a half-baked argument, which I just re-read, and also ignores the fact that there is only one other 'ADC' that doesn't really gain from bonus AS. 
I dunno. I guess I'm all done commenting, because you seem to be someone who offers nothing but mindless crying, ignoring the things champions are balanced around, and giving no opportunities for recourse.
Life is going to suck for you though kiddo. I wish you the best of luck.
Rivuo1 votes[{quoted}](name=I Go LeJhindary,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ETyQLd7T,comment-id=000100000000000000010000000100000001,timestamp=2016-07-29T02:52:36.836+0000)
What are you saying then? He should get a nerf to his AS? Which he gets no increase to aside from base levels? And, of course, you would ignore the rest of the paragraph because it's valid. lol.
I would advise that you actually state what it is you want changed, instead of offering a half-baked argument, which I just re-read, and also ignores the fact that there is only one other 'ADC' that doesn't really gain from bonus AS.
I dunno. I guess I'm all done commenting, because you seem to be someone who offers nothing but mindless crying, ignoring the things champions are balanced around, and giving no opportunities for recourse.
Life is going to suck for you though kiddo. I wish you the best of luck.
A thread about Jhin. I wonder why you're defending jhin mr I go LeJhinDary
Astôlfo4 votesWoah calm down there, you're asking a QQer to use reason and logic. That might be asking for a bit too much.
MohawkBird5 votes[deleted]
Rivuo1 votesLet's completely disregard the fact that he stays at a static attack speed for the whole game. Practically any ADC late game will shit on Jhin in a 1v1 duel because of that.
Because not being able to auto attack and an ADC has no consequences, right?
"Retarted Burst," as you put it, is quite funny actually. His autos are slow as shit and his W is extremely slow and telegraphed. Are you playing on a toaster or something?
Im Pretty sure Jhin doesnt stay at a fixed attack speed. I think he goes from .64 to .78 with levels. But you're right if you mean static per level.
But no i 100% disagree with you. Jhin has so much burst with Auto-Q-W-Auto in 1-2 seconds that it will explode any adc.
Astôlfo4 votesHe increases with level only. He cannot increase with items at all. Like every other ADC will do, easily beating him. But I mean sure, keep pulling points out of nowhere with no actual reasoning or proof. They make you sound smarter. You know, instead of like, actual math and points of proof.
Astôlfo4 votesYes that's what happens when a squishy decides to not move and take all four shots which have execute damage as well as increased damage on the fourth. But I mean I suppose bodyblocking doesn't exist. Yes, he's a bit too strong. He's nowhere near a level to warrant crying like this though.
SwiftKitten883 votesi have never really had any trouble vs him. but then again.. i think EVERY champ i play counters him...
but i just looked at his stats the lowest win rate he has in ANY elo is 52% and with that much popularity that seems REALLY good
i think he does need to be toned down a bit, but it isn't like he dones't HAVE weaknesses.
he is a very well designed champ and he is FUN and relatively easy to play. i aree he needs some nerfs but i would like to keep hi in the 50-51% win rate range.
so he stands to lose about a 1.5% to be balanced
venomous frost2 votesJhin is the only champions that can be completely out of a fight and still do absurd damage, aka his ult. Pretty much negating any assassins trying to get him
Rivuo2 votes[{quoted}](name=venomous frost,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ETyQLd7T,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-07-28T22:10:22.740+0000)
Jhin is the only champions that can be completely out of a fight and still do absurd damage, aka his ult. Pretty much negating any assassins trying to get him
Dont forget he also provides 4 slows and a root.
Astôlfo5 votesAll of which are dodgeable and bodyblockable as well as extremely narrow, as well as the W showing a pre-indicator firing line.
Astôlfo3 votesBecause bodyblocking doesn't exist. Because going outside and around the side doesn't exist. Because assassins always have to stay inside his ult range perfectly still and let Jhin hit his 4 shots before they get to try and assassinate him. % missing health means it's execute damage. It's not going to do that much to a full health team until he gets a lot of items and/or extremely fed.
JafarThePanda2 votesJhin's insane damage trades off with insane immobility outside his crit movement speed passive. Most ADCs that are relevant have dashes at least AND a higher attack speed but lower damage/range
Zelnick1 votesAlso happened with Vayne and Lucian, Riot will probably nerf him now.
Caítlyn1 votes"Just walk sideways, if you get hit by his ult ur bad!!!"
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Lugg1 votesJhin definitely needs some nerfs. He is strong at all stages of the game right now.
Left Hook Larry1 votesIf this was an assassin with those stats he would be nerfed instantly and people on here wouldn't stop bitching about him and he would be perma banned
But since he's an adc and the majority of the idiots who bitch here are adc mains, he's fine
Zedex1 votesWho would have guessed the ADC that was super strong but only kept down by Lucian's popularity(Lucian directly counters Jhins early game) is now the strongest.
Daddy Ants1 votesI'd welcome a nerf for Jhin.
Ashe as well.
IPromiseTomorrow1 votesPretty easy to figure out Jhin.
I'll explain very bluntly his combo in lane. AA+Q (q resets his autoattack=AA) +QuickAA +W (another AA Reset.) +QuickAA +E (Weird to use this right? Not really since it ALSO resets his Auto attack.)
And also more things contrubute to him being good. His long range snare that can catch people a screen and a half away. His traps are good to denie ganks and to provide vision and it also interacts with TP, ergo you can teleport to his traps.
Now for the grand finally....
The ultimate, This, ultimate... Not too bad really, BUT the ult has many uses. It starts with shoot to kill... He can hit 1 shot then the rest are ez to land, all 4 shots kill his target. He lands the first shot to give a huge slow then his team can follow up. The scenario of Jhin slowing, snaring, bursting people from a screen away is way too common and pretty unhealthy.
TLDR: Jhin's AA resets are too effective and abuse his 4th shot mechanic. His long range snare and ult catch people out far, far, away.
I hope everyone has learned the jist of Jhin's power and range.
P.S. DEATH FIRE TOUCH IS INSANELY GOOD ON HIM.
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