Well I've mained Zyra for about 4 years now - I've always loved her lore and play style. But the time has come to very sadly, have to put her on the back burner until league addresses her plant situation. Rip my vine darling. 
greekvandaL5 votesGood ever since they made her the whole plant spammer she was toxic. Old one was way better as a caster.
Azadethe1 votesYeah because 2-4 plants was better than 7-8...... Smaller aoe better for same damage and cooldowns.
You just liked that Passive that gave you an after death effect.
greekvandaL1 votesYeah because 2-4 plants was better than 7-8...... Smaller aoe better for same damage and cooldowns.
You just liked that Passive that gave you an after death effect.
that was the only thing i didnt like about her kit. I hate everysingle passive that rewards you in any way for dying.
Azadethe1 votesSo again.... what was so good about a smaller Q, less plants, same E, and same R?
I know. The fact you couldn't hit your spells and need the plants to auto attack champions? I never miss....
greekvandaL1 votesSo again.... what was so good about a smaller Q, less plants, same E, and same R?
I know. The fact you couldn't hit your spells and need the plants to auto attack champions? I never miss....
did we even play the same champ? Yo actually needed to land skills in order to do dmg. Now you wiff everything and the plants destroy everyone trying to approach
Azadethe1 votesThe skills/plants did the exact same damage as they do now. The difference is..... there are more plants now than then. You got no free plants, and could only store 3. You could have like something like 5 total planted, but you had to gain back the charges on W to do it, which took time.
The plants are individually weaker that they've ever been. Adcs 2 hit them. Melees 1 hit them. Aoes take a few hits but dots destroy them. They used to take 4 hits from any source to kill.
The difference is now it's super easy to get a field of them.
You're also remembering the skill effect on plants wrong.
Plants used to automatically prioritize champions in range.
Since then, -they've reduced their detect range to 525 (used to be their full attack range) -made it so you have to auto attack or skill a champ for plants to attack them, or the plants attack the closest direct target. This means minions often draw all the fire, if you miss.
You NEVER have had a point where plants do nothing unless you hit.
Chortle1 votesYeah because 2-4 plants was better than 7-8...... Smaller aoe better for same damage and cooldowns.
You just liked that Passive that gave you an after death effect.
2-4 actually was better. The plants lasted longer and were more reliable since the player placed them instead of RNG. The seeds also lasted A LOT longer.
The size of the aoe didn't matter, it's the shape that was better. The circle allowed mid zyra to farm waves/jungle camps better than the current clunker rectangle we have now. Her damage was also higher before her rework because she had less plants so the "same damage and cooldowns" is actually not true.
Azadethe1 votesHer literally damage and cooldowns have be the same, including plant damage and fire rate. I suggest you go look at the history of patches. Those aspects have not changed.
In fact, MOST Zyra players and posts after her change was that she was OP. I find it Ironic that 9 month later posts are trying to say she's weak.
You could store 3. Now you can store 2. The cooldowns are lower between the stores and you can place them as well as have randoms. I literally often have 4 manual placed ones as WELL as 3-4 randoms.
Chortle1 votesHer literally damage and cooldowns have be the same, including plant damage and fire rate. I suggest you go look at the history of patches. Those aspects have not changed.
https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-69-notes
lol it literally has not stayed the same since she was reworked. Her rework caused a whole mess of balancing issues because of the amount of plants she can summon.
In fact, MOST Zyra players and posts after her change was that she was OP. I find it Ironic that 9 month later posts are trying to say she's weak.
She was OP right after her change so they nerfed her. I find it ironic that after 9 months of nerfs including the plant health fiasco and minute buffs that posts are arguing she's not weak.
You could store 3. Now you can store 2. The cooldowns are lower between the stores and you can place them as well as have randoms. **I literally often have 4 manual placed ones as WELL as 3-4 randoms. **
That's either a lie or you play against really shitty players.
Azadethe1 votesWhat am I supposed to be seeing in the patch notes that is a change to damage? The change from 50% attack speed to 50% DAMAGE on R's Enrage?
They never nerfed anything at all except her targetting, which now either requires her to be close to a target with her plants, or to skill/auto attack them.
It's called setting a stage. W's cooldown is low, and you can field pretty much like a teemo within reason due to the expirations. If you just run around while you won't set a stage and you might have 3-4 plants at best.
I mean.... I jungle, mid, and support Zyra. What do I know.
Chortle1 votesWhat am I supposed to be seeing in the patch notes that is a change to damage? The change from 50% attack speed to 50% DAMAGE on R's Enrage?
6.9 Rework patch
Plants:
Plant Health: 6 ⇒ 4 Plant Damage: 23-140 (at levels 1-18) ⇒ 19-127 (at levels 1-18) Plant Ratio: 0.2 ability power ⇒ **0.15 ability power **
Q damage:
Base: 70/105/140/175/210 ⇒ 60/90/120/150/180 Ratio: 0.65 ability power ⇒ **0.55 ability power **
Live Zyra
Plants:
Health: gets 1 shot by melee. Essentially makes vine lashers 100% more useless than they already were.
Q damage:
Base: 60 / 95 / 130 / 165 / 200 Ratio: .6 ability power
So as I said before. She received nerfs across the board BECAUSE OF HER REWORK. They poured more power into the amount of plants she can have in niche situations and because of that, her Q and plant damage was toned down to compensate. Combine that with the change of shape on her Q, and you get SIGNIFICANT nerfs to her wave clears.
So your argument of:
Her literally damage and cooldowns have be the same, including plant damage and fire rate. I suggest you go look at the history of patches. Those aspects have not changed.
Is completely false.
- They never nerfed anything at all except her targetting, which now either requires her to be close to a target with her plants, or to skill/auto attack them.
again false
- It's called setting a stage. W's cooldown is low, and you can field pretty much like a teemo within reason due to the expirations. If you just run around while you won't set a stage and you might have 3-4 plants at best.
She is nothing like teemo. Any competent lane opponent will not let you "set a stage".
I mean.... I jungle, mid, and support Zyra. What do I know.
I have mained Zyra mid/jung/sup since S4 almost exclusively.
l MrD l4 votesPlant situation? I always thought Zyra was good?
Poop Jelly1 votesYeah. I play her time to time and I felt like she's a pretty solid (at least support) pick. Doesn't feel underwhelming if not out of position and one hella poker once she gets 2 items. She shreds tank pretty good for a support, btw.
dunder kill2 votes50.5% WR and 3-4% playrate is dead?
5050BS3 votesShe is trash compared to any other champ in the two roles.
Riot really needs to make sure what she was suppose to be. Midlane Mage and Jungler
Cynikul3 votesShe is trash compared to any other champ in the two roles.
Riot really needs to make sure what she was suppose to be. Midlane Mage and Jungler
Wait, why exactly does champion have to be what it was initially again?
"Better make Urgot ADC again!" "Better make sure Diana is only midlane!" "Nunu is only allowed to jungle!" "Wukong has to be top or Jungle only!"
Yikes.
[zombie-brand-facepalm]
OverpoweredSoap2 votesWait, why exactly does champion have to be what it was initially again?
"Better make Urgot ADC again!" "Better make sure Diana is only midlane!" "Nunu is only allowed to jungle!" "Wukong has to be top or Jungle only!"
Yikes.
[zombie-brand-facepalm]
I mean when Riot specifically make changes to help champions out in certain areas (Mid Zyra and I think Jungle Zyra for instance) and they don't help them enough and riot just sort of leaves it like that, people have a right to be mad.
She's not even showing up in the middle lane on OP.gg , she's doing fine as a support right now though.
Which many people detest.
Felvyne1 votesThat's a bit wrong. Just a bit.
It's true that although Zyra was released as a midlaner, she was played as support AND midlane when she was released. Good dps, good poke good antiengage, not bad scaling, she could take her best as both positions. But support was showing as toxic, so Riot nerfed Zyra. And in a lane when you are the only focus, those nerfs hit harder, so she was slowly moved to only support because it wasnt worth going with her to midlane. And the mana changes I fear will straight kill her.
dunder kill1 votes50.5% winrate is balanced lol. Your champ doesnt have to have a 53% WR with 20% PR to be viable. Shes in a good spot. People who play her just bitch because shes not as strong as she was at one point. Sorry, no champ stays S tier forever. Zyra is fine
Mig891 votesThey're complaining because shes less than viable midlane into the majority of midlaners right now. Her winrate is high because she has to only be picked into certain matchups and mains know it. I main her support and dont really see an issue aside from getting seeds slower since the fertilizer change.
xelaker2 voteszyra is fine
Pandemic Punch2 votesZyra support is an absolute monster. She just can't carry a Jhin or Ezreal the same way Brand can.
Azadethe1 votesI can carry vs anyone but perhaps 
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(Stupid divers can kill faster than Zyra's skills activate)
Percentages2 votesI don't know what your talking about. Zyra is a fucking monster...
