The awful quality of Season 8 stems down to what's going on inside the company.

DarkNanovor·Aug 29, 2018·55 votes·11,525 views

http://barryhawkins.com/blog/posts/the-story-of-why-i-left-riot-games/

The Core of the Problem

Between the sexism, the immaturity of the high ranked members of the company, Clash horrible launch, balance issues and budget problems for Worlds and other major competitive events, it is evident that Riot is going through one, if not, its worst phase since the release of the game.

I'm a firm believer that in order to fix a problem, it is important to find its absolute core. Following most of these events being brought to light recently, when they have been for a problem a long time before it was brought to the public eye, we can deduce that the core of the problem is not a simple item or a champion...it's the Rioters themselves as harsh as it sounds. Truth is, if we want league to last much longer and envision a great FUTURE (yes i know, a word this band-aid short-term solution company is not familiar with) for the game there needs to be something done about the company itself. Unfortunately, even the very few respectable Rioters that actually want to make this game enjoyable again gets silenced by the big ego man-children at the top of the company, thanks to their stubbornness and immaturity.

The Solution?

A company reform. To put it simply, there needs to be people fired in the company and replaced. Who specifically needs to be fired? The regressive, unopened to constructive high elo experienced feedback, immature man-children that farts on other employers faces, wear "just the tip" shirts and refuse to change their ways because "muh frat mentality". This is a business not a high school and it's really getting embarrassing at this point. Another thing is that I feel more of these hard-working Rioters who actually want, just like us, to envision a great future for the game need to speak up more about what's going on inside the company (thank you Cecilia D'Anastasio for the Kotaku article that started it all, Barry Hawkins and the others that spoke up).

Now as for the realistic point I wanted to bring up:

Will any of this actually happen?

The answer is no. Money and power talks, this isn't just a problem that affects Riot but also every major tech company in America. The thing is most of these people I describe as being regressive man-children are the high ranked members of the company and there's no way on earth they'd be willing to give away their position due to their ego (which we can understand if we see things through their POV). No amount of board, reddit or employer criticism will change their mentality as human nature is not something you can change with mere words.

Now you might feel I wrote all this for nothing since it will not change anything about the game but to me spreading some awareness, even if I might sound like a "wake up sheeple epic gamers rise up we live in a society person", is probably the only thing I can do for now as someone who has been passionate for this game since season 2. I really incite other people to do the same.

Thank you for bearing with my rant and sorry if I didn't manage to be as neutral as possible with my opinion, I hope your day outside of league has been going great.

89 Comments

T I L T B O I 2Aug 29, 201842 votes

stopped after sexism

we have entire companies that committed suicide by firing all of their male staff for a female only staff and they buried themselves.

AnateraAug 29, 20186 votes

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stopped after sexism

we have entire companies that committed suicide by firing all of their male staff for a female only staff and they buried themselves.

Yes, switching from one extreme to another tends to do that. It doesn't have anything to do with whether or not the staff is composed of men or women. It's just a dumb decision.

hhaavviikkAug 29, 20185 votes

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stopped after sexism

we have entire companies that committed suicide by firing all of their male staff for a female only staff and they buried themselves.

last I checked no one is saying riot should do that so that's irrelevant.

companies have a ''bro culture'' isn't unheard of

T I L T B O I 2Aug 29, 20185 votes

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last I checked no one is saying riot should do that so that's irrelevant.

companies have a ''bro culture'' isn't unheard of

it's weird how bro culture is considered on the same level as violating the EEO by forcing a female only staff. Really weird world we live in, but this generation does think that way.

IllabetheAug 29, 20183 votes

It's weird how you think "bro culture" is exists in a multicultural international game some of whose highest executives are female.

Maybe you believe developers are somehow rejected because they are female, and not because there's a SHORTAGE of qualified female applicants. (8.5 in 10 game design specialists are male).

And, even if you did have a balanced workforce, that's certainly not to say the game would not be developing the same.

It's developing this way not because of some work culture. It's developing this way because players are consistent, repetitive, and learn. Silver is not the same Silver as you had in Season 3-4. It plays more like Season 3-4 Platinum. Platinum now consists of players who were DIamond Quality in Season 3-4 but were filtered out by the better players of that elo who went on to become Diamond/Challenger/Master.

As skill and adaptability improves, the kits which they are applied to HAVE to become more complex, to keep skill creep in check.

I'm fairly certain Tencent as a condition of purchasing Riot, also rigidly had them adopt their guidelines when it came to sexual harassment in the workplace or use of poorly placed language.

The bigger a company is, the more they address the legal liability of sexual harassment..... and Barry's story is from 2013. Riot was tiny then, so I expect workplace sexualism was common. I really doubt it is now that it's a 2+ Billion dollar subsidiary of a 21 Billion conglomerate.

Anin777Aug 29, 20183 votes

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It's weird how you think "bro culture" is exists in a multicultural international game some of whose highest executives are female.

Maybe you believe developers are somehow rejected because they are female, and not because there's a SHORTAGE of qualified female applicants. (8.5 in 10 game design specialists are male).

And, even if you did have a balanced workforce, that's certainly not to say the game would not be developing the same.

It's developing this way not because of some work culture. It's developing this way because players are consistent, repetitive, and learn. Silver is not the same Silver as you had in Season 3-4. It plays more like Season 3-4 Platinum. Platinum now consists of players who were DIamond Quality in Season 3-4 but were filtered out by the better players of that elo who went on to become Diamond/Challenger/Master.

As skill and adaptability improves, the kits which they are applied to HAVE to become more complex, to keep skill creep in check.

This is why I have a problem with OP. Kotaku releases article about less than 30 women talking about sexism forgetting that there are probably hundreds who have good things to say about Riot's workplace. But does that help push their narrative? Nope, so why bother? Then the "frat mentality". It's childish, no doubt but problematic? Don't think so.

Agree with everything you said

HeeroTXAug 29, 20182 votes

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I'm fairly certain Tencent as a condition of purchasing Riot, also rigidly had them adopt their guidelines when it came to sexual harassment in the workplace or use of poorly placed language.

I am not REMOTELY the "fight the mysoginistic culture, rawr", SJW type, but forgive me for a sec... [sg-miss-fortune] [sg-miss-fortune] [sg-miss-fortune]

Imma just leave this here: https://www.engadget.com/2018/04/23/china-tech-firms-objectification-discrimination/

Here's two points worth highlighting: Tencent, on its official WeChat recruitment account, quoted a male worker as saying "the reason I joined [the company] originated from a primal impulse. It was mainly because the ladies at human resources and that interviewed me were very pretty."

and... Gender discrimination in advertising is prohibited by China's labor and advertising laws. However, the government has not only not enforced the problem, but 13 percent of civil service job listings in 2017 specified "men only" or "men preferred," while none required or preferred women.

If you think a Chinese parent company is rigorously pursuing sexual harassment prevention of an American subsidiary, I've got a billion shares of Riot Games to sell you.

IllabetheAug 30, 20181 votes

Here's the catch: As a global vendor, Tencent is NOT a Chinese company. They are a Global company, and adhere to international guidelines. To suggest they are Chinese is to suggest Apple is an American Company; It's not. Apple may be posted on the US exchange, but about 70% of its production is overseas, with it's largest tangible assets actually in China. Exxon Mobile is ALSO not an American company.

All these big multi billion names..... they have more power than some governments.... as long as they adhere to some guidelines...... like workplace health.

To suggest Tencent is purely a Chinese company ..... is suggesting Grinding Gear games in New Zealand follows Chinese Safe workplace protocols. It's suggesting a company named Riot..... based in California..... somehow follows Chinese workforce rules.

When companies go international, they have to honor the local legislation and rules on workplace rights. I'm not saying Tencent necessarily originated in a country with worker's rights. I'm saying that because they expose themselves to liability of operating in the US, they enforce local labor force rules to prevent those lawsuits. US labor laws require active measures against sexual harassment/discrimination, so in the US, Tencent honors it to retain compliance.

HeeroTXAug 30, 20181 votes

When companies go international, they have to honor the local legislation and rules on workplace rights. I'm not saying Tencent necessarily originated in a country with worker's rights. I'm saying that because they expose themselves to liability of operating in the US, they enforce local labor force rules to prevent those lawsuits. US labor laws require active measures against sexual harassment/discrimination, so** in the US, Tencent honors it to retain compliance**.

There is a VAST gulf of difference between saying they follow the letter of the law in order to stay legal (as you do above) and saying that they "rigidly had them (Riot?) adopt their guidelines when it came to sexual harassment in the workplace or use of poorly placed language" as you previously stated.

Riot Games (before purchase by Tencent) was a purely American company (by which I mean all their people and operations were based in America, they had no foreign assets other than players/users (as is true for any internet company)). I would therefore say that when Tencent bought Riot, they were content to leave Riot's standards in place, as they would expect them to match what is needed to hit the legal requirements of the nation in which they're based. I linked an article that made it clear that completely UNRELATED to Riot Games/League of Legends, Tencent was not any kind of particular leader on gender rights/non-discrimination and was in fact probably WORSE than what Americans would consider appropriate for these things. That article is very recent (published in 2018), Riot was majority-bought by Tencent in 2011 (seven YEARS ago). With all that in mind, I re-iterate that it is LAUGHABLE that Tencent would've been a leader to get Riot games to be better on this issue. If anything, the evidence would suggest the OPPOSITE, but at "best" I would say Tencent simply maintained the status quo.

IllabetheAug 30, 20181 votes

Actually, what you said in both paragraphs is incorrect.

I'm not saying Tencent abides by US law and regulation to stay legal. I AM saying that Tencent would force RIOT into compliance, because of their own liability as the parent. Conglomerates walk a fine line where both they and their subsidiaries bear some cost from a legal action. As a result their legally binding clauses generally act to observe laws and regulations in BOTH the parent AND the subsidiary.
Riot has had Tencent as a majority investor since its college days inception. It's not technically a US company other than in the form of where it's inceptors came from. Tencent was 33% of Riot's initial investor pool in 2011. They formally bought the company in 2013 outright.
Your article is based upon Chinese hiring in the Chinese sector of Tencent. There is no international clauses in that hiring/advertising.

HeeroTXAug 31, 20181 votes

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Riot has had Tencent as a majority investor since its college days inception. It's not technically a US company other than in the form of where it's inceptors came from. Tencent was 33% of Riot's initial investor pool in 2011. They formally bought the company in 2013 outright.

Illabethe ALSO said:

The bigger a company is, the more they address the legal liability of sexual harassment..... and Barry's story is from 2013. Riot was tiny then, so I expect workplace sexualism was common. I really doubt it is now that it's a 2+ Billion dollar subsidiary of a 21 Billion conglomerate.

Just in case we need more clarification: "In February 2011, Tencent paid $400 million for a 93 percent stake in Riot Games." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_Games#cite_note-8

So, it is YOUR contention, that Tencent owned 93% of the company (Riot Games) and were a MAJORITY investor possibly before that. But they waited until AFTER they bought the final 7% to institute these all important procedural controls (since, in your words, Barry's story is from 2013 (2 years AFTER Tencent took ownership of 93% of Riot) when "workplace sexualism was common").

(After looking over a bunch of articles, I can't completely confirm the 93% figure from wikipedia, but I can say that at minimum, Tencent bought around 85% of the company in 2011, I assume they already owned 8% (so no added cost for that amount), but all reports have Tencent paying around $400 million on a $472 million valuation, which would mean they bought around 85% at that time)

But the point is there's dozens of AMERICAN companies that have been getting busted for this kind of thing. You're crazy if you think a China based company is hyper-focused on this kind of thing. And yes, when I say "American companies" I include a bunch of large multi-nationals, like: McDonalds https://money.cnn.com/2018/05/22/news/companies/mcdonalds-sexual-harassment/index.html Google http://fortune.com/2018/03/01/google-sexual-harassment-lawsuit-bro-culture/ Apple https://discriminationandsexualharassmentlawyers.com/sexual-harassment-unveiled-in-apple-headquarters/

Just to name a few. [sg-ahri-3]

T I L T B O I 2Aug 29, 20181 votes

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It's weird how you think "bro culture" is exists in a multicultural international game some of whose highest executives are female.

Maybe you believe developers are somehow rejected because they are female, and not because there's a SHORTAGE of qualified female applicants. (8.5 in 10 game design specialists are male).

And, even if you did have a balanced workforce, that's certainly not to say the game would not be developing the same.

It's developing this way not because of some work culture. It's developing this way because players are consistent, repetitive, and learn. Silver is not the same Silver as you had in Season 3-4. It plays more like Season 3-4 Platinum. Platinum now consists of players who were DIamond Quality in Season 3-4 but were filtered out by the better players of that elo who went on to become Diamond/Challenger/Master.

As skill and adaptability improves, the kits which they are applied to HAVE to become more complex, to keep skill creep in check.

I'm fairly certain Tencent as a condition of purchasing Riot, also rigidly had them adopt their guidelines when it came to sexual harassment in the workplace or use of poorly placed language.

The bigger a company is, the more they address the legal liability of sexual harassment..... and Barry's story is from 2013. Riot was tiny then, so I expect workplace sexualism was common. I really doubt it is now that it's a 2+ Billion dollar subsidiary of a 21 Billion conglomerate.

didn't read, don't generally read novel length replies from people I have no interest in talking to, maybe bullet points next time

FilDaFunkAug 29, 201814 votes

I'm going to say that a female only staff is also sexist.

Death by GlamourAug 29, 20184 votes

having worked within an all female team, let me tell you I would rather endure the "frat bro" type of stuff than all the passive aggressive bullshit and bitching that comes with a large female work group.

Rant AwayAug 29, 20184 votes

Affirmative action in itself is a racist program as well.

ThilmerAug 29, 20182 votes

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stopped after sexism

we have entire companies that committed suicide by firing all of their male staff for a female only staff and they buried themselves.

I laughed when I read that.

"The company has a trillion problems. Let's talk about sexism, something that nobody cares about". It's like when Marvel comics started paying attentiion to the SJW and almost went bankrupt because those idiots are never happy and they lost their loyal veteran fans.

I'm pretty sure the whole sexism obsession is only going to last a couple of years more. More and more people is realizing that the whole thing is just a massive bluff.

NorglicsAug 29, 20184 votes

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I laughed when I read that.

"The company has a trillion problems. Let's talk about sexism, something that nobody cares about". It's like when Marvel comics started paying attentiion to the SJW and almost went bankrupt because those idiots are never happy and they lost their loyal veteran fans.

I'm pretty sure the whole sexism obsession is only going to last a couple of years more. More and more people is realizing that the whole thing is just a massive bluff.

haha exactly :D or just watch new ghost busters the feminist edition -70m $ for the investers :D or the latest battlefield 5 , subpar preorders and guy responsible was fired :D everything touched by feminism is going to shit and broke feminism is a joke a bad one

btw just look how that sjw downvotes everyone :D what a failed life

warmcorntortillaAug 29, 20182 votes

If you search for the term "female" "woman" "women", they are ALL words that appear in the comment section, not the original post. It's so frustrating trying to have adult conversations with people who refuse to engage with the material. Would it kill you to read? The article op links is from a man who said he was uncomfortable with the way HE was treated as an employee of Riot Games.

I don't know why articles of first-hand experiences from male Rioters are met with comments about all-female staff and the #metoo movement. Where is that mentioned? Nobody suggested an all-female staff. OP suggested getting rid of the people who fart on people's faces and say they're going to fuck each others' wives. Would YOU want to work in an environment like that?

Like, idk, maybe men also deserve to work someplace where they are not met with rape jokes, wife-fucking jokes, and suck-my-dick jokes? Maybe the fact that this kind of gross, wholly-inappropriate-for-work behavior is allowed to fester is because of a culture of everything-goes? Maybe, like OP said in the post you admit you didn't read, this is a symptom of a bigger problem, a bigger problem that also allows things like Dynamic Queue, class updates/reverts, and other unpopular, largely-seen-as-damaging decisions to go through? Maybe?

But, y'know, you'd only be able to draw those conclusions if you read what op, and the article they linked to, had to say, without a bunch of preconceived notions already brought to the table.

BestPudgeNAAug 29, 20181 votes

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If you search for the term "female" "woman" "women" they are ALL words that appear in the comment section, not the original post. It's so frustrating trying to have adult conversations with people who refuse to engage with the material. Would it kill you to read? The article op links is from a man who said he was uncomfortable with the way HE was treated as an employee of Riot Games.

I don't know why articles of first-hand experiences from male Rioters are met with comments about all-female staff and the #metoo movement. Where is that mentioned? Nobody suggested an all-female staff. OP suggested getting rid of the people who fart on people's faces and say they're going to fuck each others wives. Would YOU want to work in an environment like that?

Like, idk, maybe men also deserve to work someplace where they are not met with rape jokes, wife-fucking jokes, and suck-my-dick jokes? Maybe the fact that this kind of gross, wholly-inappropriate-for-work behavior is allowed to fester is because of a culture of everything-goes? Maybe, like OP said in the post you admit you didn't read, this is a symptom of a bigger problem, a bigger problem that also allows things like Dynamic Queue, class updates/reverts, and other unpopular, largely-seen-as-damaging decisions to go through? Maybe?

But, y'know, you'd only be able to draw those conclusions if you read what op, and the article they linked to, had to say, without a bunch of preconceived notions already brought to the table.

You already brought a bunch of preconceived notions about how people should behave in the workplace. The OP and yourself both seem to think that a stuffy upright hypersensitive workplace beats a casual and laid back one, people above him at Riot preferred the laid back one. Which is resulted in the OP doing non-productive things like arguing with people and causing all sorts of problems that negatively effect production.

THE RlVER KlNGAug 29, 20184 votes

give examples of this happening

oh wait it doesn't matter anyway because this is a straw man trying to mask petty misogyny

ModAcademy KaynAug 29, 201830 votes

"The reason the game sucks is because of sexism and frat mentality" is the biggest fucking leap of logic I have seen to date, it's almost painful.

Crimson ZeppelinAug 29, 20182 votes

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"The reason the game sucks is because of sexism and frat mentality" is the biggest fucking leap of logic I have seen to date, it's almost painful.

Well Dynamic que and the whole darn "anti-toxicity" campaign was made by one said adultery-committing chauvinist who got fired. He wreaked the development of soloque for a whole year, and people are being UNBANNED now because of said stupid campaign.

As a result yes, the GAME does SUCK,

This isn't a leap of logic. It proved idiots in Riot perform poorly, and a actual harm to employers and customers, and have a certain similar trait in them. That is being a massive asshat, huger than a damn sombrero.

BestPudgeNAAug 29, 20184 votes

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Well Dynamic que and the whole darn "anti-toxicity" campaign was made by one said Feminist that believes in hate speech.

FTFY.

Crimson ZeppelinAug 30, 20181 votes

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FTFY.

Yes, and a terrible one that actually says he supports women, but is actually a cheater. Typical white knight in gleaming armor, with a slimy weasel masquerading in it.

People were really curious where his true allegiance were while those two campaigns happened. Creating extremely abusive environments, while policing whomever who can't take it.

JedditeAug 29, 201815 votes

"GET WOKE, GO BROKE".

OniSeijiAug 29, 20181 votes

A L L H A I L

T H E Q U A R T E R I N G

Madsin25Aug 29, 201811 votes

How about they just work on making the game fun and less of a clown fiesta instead of this irrelevant nonsense.

KVbqbFsC8eAug 29, 201810 votes

I doubt it. The guy who wrote that article is talking about things that were happening back in 2013- Season 3. That has nothing to do with Season 8, and if that were the cause, then every season since 3 would have had "awful quality".

TempName54846Aug 29, 201810 votes

nEeD MOrE FEmiNIsM REEEEEEEEEEEE - the thread

CeazaruAug 29, 20182 votes

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nEeD MOrE FEmiNIsM REEEEEEEEEEEE - the thread

Please not this. I'm tired of game developers or any company rolling over for the frequently offended.

JamareeAug 29, 20189 votes

Making a joke isn't sexism.

What is sexism is going out of your way to hire a member of your same gender rather then the most qualified.

Rant AwayAug 29, 20186 votes

Reading Kotaku for gaming news is like reading the Huff Post for actual news. Its unreliable, biased, and just a garbage company that pushes for regressive left ideology in gaming.

NorglicsAug 29, 20182 votes

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Reading Kotaku for gaming news is like reading the Huff Post for actual news. Its unreliable, biased, and just a garbage company that pushes for regressive left ideology in gaming.

yes , those are for hatefull people who just want to read echochamber safe news about evil patriarchy

haaaaaaalpAug 29, 20184 votes

Not even sure they need a fullscale change. They have like 10 times the employees needed. They just need to make a few key changes in divisions like gameplay and esports. Changing ghost crawler's position probably has a lot more effect than people are giving it credit for. The sexism stuff sucks but that probably isn't as big of an issue. These same people build league into what it was prior to all of the crap season 8. After reading all of the crap happening at valve and witnessing how great TI 8 was despite all of that, I feel that the bar as far as riot's internal struggles isn't as high as most people think.

EightprismAug 29, 20184 votes

really wish they could have picked something other than fking kotaku

BakedLotionAug 29, 20183 votes

obviously a fake article because if riot really makes all those sexual jokes in their office, they wouldnt be all up in your ass about giving chat restrictions for saying a bad word

Madsin25Aug 29, 20182 votes

Not exactly true.

In a mainly all male work place we are going to act like men. We are going to make jokes that (most)females just wouldn't be able to handle.

I am a supervisor of about 8 males and (most)females would get seriously offended at some of our "break time discussions".

In the end it doesn't mean shit we are just acting like men.

BakedLotionAug 30, 20181 votes

ok but thats besides the point. i dont care if theyre making the jokes. im just saying itll be hypocritical if riot themselves make sexist jokes but if we were to say it in game, they would instantly permaban you or some shit.

ModCaptainMårvelousAug 29, 20183 votes

Yeah...no.

This isn't a new magical thing that happened in Season 8 dude. Riot has been like this since they were created and these problems were just as bad in Season 8 (perhaps even worse) as they were in whatever season you considered the best.

VoraciousXAug 29, 20182 votes

The sad thing is that one of the co-founders was part of this, honestly, and didn't see any reason for there to be a problem. Even moreso, that legal told a guy he needed to basically apologize for feeling that it was inappropriate or else he wouldn't move up any higher and possibly lose his job, and the other might not be doing it, but doesn't seem to care about it either. I don't think this is the problem with the game itself, but the dam broke open and now everything's gonna come flooding out. They're either gonna have to do something about it, or fall on their own swords. I mean, the R word probably(I haven't tested it) isn't even allowed on these boards, but making jokes about it inside the company is somehow okay?

Crimson ZeppelinAug 29, 20184 votes

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The sad thing is that one of the co-founders was part of this, honestly, and didn't see any reason for there to be a problem. Even moreso, that legal told a guy he needed to basically apologize for feeling that it was inappropriate or else he wouldn't move up any higher and possibly lose his job, and the other might not be doing it, but doesn't seem to care about it either. I don't think this is the problem with the game itself, but the dam broke open and now everything's gonna come flooding out. They're either gonna have to do something about it, or fall on their own swords. I mean, the R word probably(I haven't tested it) isn't even allowed on these boards, but making jokes about it inside the company is somehow okay?

You ain't seen shit. Remember Riot Lyte last year? The sole person who invented/made up the "toxicity" bullshit that still taints the community? He cheated his fiance, committed adultery with 3 women, was a creep voyeur and made a threat to sue her even if she has ALL the evidence from chat logs, e-mail. even phone records.

THIS WAS THE GUY WORKING IN COMMUNITY MANAGEMENT/PLAYER BEHAVIOUR. He invented DYNAMIC QUE, got jeered by almost all professional players and He does THIS IRL.

Before he was fired, he proved that he himself was toxic as fracking depleted uranium.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/5smy6y/what_is_the_drama_going_on_with_riot_lyte/ https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/954437-league-of-legends/74955106

The Spicy CritAug 29, 20182 votes

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You ain't seen shit. Remember Riot Lyte last year? The sole person who invented/made up the "toxicity" bullshit that still taints the community? He cheated his fiance, committed adultery with 3 women, was a creep voyeur and made a threat to sue her even if she has ALL the evidence from chat logs, e-mail. even phone records.

THIS WAS THE GUY WORKING IN COMMUNITY MANAGEMENT/PLAYER BEHAVIOUR. He invented DYNAMIC QUE, got jeered by almost all professional players and He does THIS IRL.

Before he was fired, he proved that he himself was toxic as fracking depleted uranium.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/5smy6y/what_is_the_drama_going_on_with_riot_lyte/ https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/954437-league-of-legends/74955106

I remember that motherfucker. The guy who 'cleaned' league of toxic players. Thats why i have 9 FUCKING PERMABANNED ACCOUNTS. If you say ONE BAD THING to a 0/9 guy, you're getting banned. Fucking 'lets protect snowflakes' logic. I hate that guy. Him and CertainlyT. I hate those people

Crimson ZeppelinAug 29, 20182 votes

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I remember that motherfucker. The guy who 'cleaned' league of toxic players. Thats why i have 9 FUCKING PERMABANNED ACCOUNTS. If you say ONE BAD THING to a 0/9 guy, you're getting banned. Fucking 'lets protect snowflakes' logic. I hate that guy. Him and CertainlyT. I hate those people

You can' blame CT, he just provides ideas it is the balance team to "balance" it. On the other hand. Lyte did NOT do his job.

Yara0Aug 29, 20181 votes

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CeazaruAug 29, 20181 votes

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Yah this season has been an absolute mess. Plus look at the glass door reviews a lot of employees have complained about being uncomfortable in the work place.

Also riots excuse that "its just a joke and we want to be able to be funny" If you actually have to degrade someone or a group of people to make a fucking joke then you arent funny your just an ass because you know if they fucking spoke up they would only be abused more. There are plenty of ways to be funny and not remind people of terrible experiences.

If you dont understand just think like this. Imagine someone who thought their spouse loved them they spent as much time as possible with them and gave them everything they could because they wanted to make their partner feel as good as possible. Then they find out that the person they thought loved them has been seeing another person for months with out saying anything and essentially only using them for their own personal gain. They feel cheated abused and are very very hurt. Then imagine trying to move on from that and every time you go to work you are consistently reminded of how shitty you felt over and over and over because of some stupid ass joke people keep using.

You can apply that instance to a lot of things and thats why people more and more have opted to move away from using terms and "jokes" that remind people of how much those experiences hurt. Because they understand why it feels like absolute shit to be reminded of terrible experiences especially when your still trying to work through them. I hate the fucking "snowflake" excuse because if you use it your literally just using it as an excuse to be an asshole.

TLDR just be a nice person its not that fucking hard and you can be funny with out being rude.

You must be very offended by dark humor then. It can be very funny but don't be mad it's okay that you lack the sense of humor to tell when things are joke instead of taking everything at face value.

Yara0Aug 29, 20181 votes

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CeazaruAug 29, 20182 votes

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how stu................ It dosent matter if its "just a joke" because it still brings back those memories. If the only way you can be funny is to remind people of traumatic events you arent funny. Just very unimaginative.

or people tell jokes to help people get over traumatic experiences or to try to lighten the mood around the situation so the person can still calm about and not let it have too much emotional power over them.

Hong Kong AnnieAug 29, 20181 votes

I'm just going to stop reading at sexism. Whether Riot is sexist or not has next to no impact on gameplay design. Not to mention the only thing that suggests sexism is one article being mad over what was clearly a joke and another from a biased unreliable source that doesn't have any names or faces of anyone involved.

Sorry to say but Riot probably isn't sexist, and even if they were it would not effect the game balance.

BlueBilberryAug 29, 20183 votes

It goes beyond sexism, racism and all the other isms though. Stuff like the Hawkins article suggest that the company has lost a bit of vision and direction. If you run a company where there is a little too much freedom at the lower tiers and no top-down direction, then service declines, you get employee misconduct and the quality of the product suffers.

It's been shown again and again in business history. And it should be of concern for us as players.