Could something be done about Jhin's Deathfire Interaction?

Envoy of Melody·Jan 29, 2017·2 votes·1,635 views

This is seriously not fair.

Deathfire Grasp procs a hell lotta weaker on AoE damage and DoT damage, but it's apparently okay that it does full damage with multi-target skills?

Jhin's Q and Ult (And maybe his W? I dunno.), his strongest tools, are considered multi-target and deal the FULL Deathfire damage with every single Ult shot and Q grenade bounce, that's like 150 extra damage with EVERY bullet in mid to late game. Don't you think it's tedious enough that Jhin is such an entitled little coward that can grab kills from ganks from BEHIND his turret with his ultimate?

Please do something about this. Multi-target spells of all sorts should deal decreased damage just like AoE and DoT damage. It's NOT okay that Jhin can deal up to +600 extra damage with his ultimate because Deathfire is lazily ticking away on people.

22 Comments

Asayake 5150glowJan 29, 20177 votes

Think of it this way.

He doesn't get to draintank with Warlords and never die.

Illâoi Evê SiônJan 29, 20172 votes

Yeah, but he has way more Attack Damage than other Marksmen. Shouldn't that be compensation enough?

MissingKayoJan 29, 20173 votes

He also doesn't get attack speed except per-level. He doesn't even have 1 attack per second at level 18. And he has an unavoidable 2.5 second reload that cannot be reduced by CDR or AS or any other means.

Envoy of MelodyJan 29, 20171 votes

And in exchange for that, he can hoard his last shot, Flash engage you with 4th shot and a lazy grenade bounce and bang, you just got killed under your turret at lvl.2. Oh, and he also gets movement speed after his 4th shot so have fun watching him run out of turret range after pulling that bullshit on you. Preferably after he applied Deathfire to you and killed you with the DoT damage.

MissingKayoJan 29, 20171 votes

And while he's holding onto his fourth shot, he can't autoattack at all. Ultimate is out of the question. His Q does almost nothing without killing multiple minions first. His W is easy to dodge and doesn't do that much anyways and is blockable. His E shouldn't ever be damaging you because you shouldn't be staying on the trap after it activates.

If you died to him level 2, you're bad. QQ more.

AhristocatsJan 29, 20175 votes

Q is his only multi target spell

Envoy of MelodyJan 29, 20172 votes

R and W deal full Deathfire damage, too. They hit multiple targets on their way (minions) and still deal full Deathfire damage.

AhristocatsJan 29, 20174 votes

it doesn't matter, they can only hit one champion

Envoy of MelodyJan 29, 20171 votes

It DOES matter, because that's the definition of Multi-target and how bullshit they are since Jhin is dishing out free damage for absolutely no downside. That Keystone is too good on him, better than any Keystone could benefit anyone except maybe Nautilus with Colossus.

MissingKayoJan 29, 20172 votes

"Target" refers to only champions. Learn the game. That's how DFT works with every ability in the game.

DFT only affects champions, not minions or anything else. So why would it count minions or any non-champions as targets for the criteria? The lack of intelligence is astounding.

khorneyJan 29, 20173 votes

all his moves are single target, it doesnt matter if it pierces it still coutns as single target. Aoe is varus e

Envoy of MelodyJan 29, 20171 votes

AoE is NOT multi target. Multi-target is Miss Fortune's Q for example. It hits MULTIPLE targets, but not in an Area of Effect. All his moves are Multi-target because they don't hit one, but multiple targets with the same skill.

MissingKayoJan 29, 20172 votes

Learn the game before you QQ.

MissingKayoJan 29, 20174 votes

His ultimate isn't multi-target. His W only affects one enemy champion. Deal with it and don't QQ.

Envoy of MelodyJan 29, 20172 votes

W + R Goes through minions, so it isn't single target but multi-target. It deals damage to them, so it hits multiple targets, a.k.a multi-target. Deal with criticism and don't QQ yourself, worm.

MissingKayoJan 29, 20172 votes

lol. The trash player that QQs about Jhin's DFT interaction is calling someone else a worm. Well, you see something new every day.

Minions don't matter. QQ more.

BuffYasuoPlsJan 29, 20173 votes

Well, the already nerfed Jhin's ult damage a lot and his AD ratio on his Q isn't as good as it used to be.

MLDzXnRRRJan 29, 20173 votes

He is balanced around DFG and already received some dmg nerfs on his abilities some patches ago. Check his balance log on the wiki.

Zane ZephyrJan 29, 20173 votes

His ult was specifically changed shortly after he was released to be counted as single target for the application for DFT. I don't understand what minions have to do with anything. If only ONE champion can be affected by the spell in a single instance, then it's single target. I don't know what's so hard to comprehend about that.

Envoy of MelodyJan 29, 20171 votes

Single target means ONE target will be hit. Does either of his skils hit only one target? No, they don't. They go through minions, damage them and apply the full Deathfire damage of his W and R to you eitherway. They're multi-target skills, which aren't reduced by Deathfire Touch. I don't know what's so hard to comprehend about THAT.

MissingKayoJan 29, 20173 votes

The number of targets affected refers to champions. Not every single target of any kind. That's how it works for every single ability with DFT. Learn the game.

Zane ZephyrJan 29, 20171 votes

BUT THEY CAN ONLY HIT ONE CHAMPION IN ONE INSTANCE OF THE SPELL. THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.