Why is Jarvan able to EQ while snared?

Fisher No Chains·Jul 14, 2017·2 votes·1,482 views

Title, is there any reason to give him mobility while snared?

25 Comments

EndlessSorcererJul 14, 20174 votes

Snares prevent the usage of movement abilities.

However, Jarvan's Q and E are not movement abilities when used separately; movement only occurs when they are combined.

Snares don't prevent either Q or E from being cast, so he can still use his EQ combo.

Fisher No ChainsJul 14, 20171 votes

I think this shouldn't happen anyway. I guess that he wasn't supposed to EQ while snared, but someone was too lazy to fix the code.

TheHappyReaperzJul 14, 20171 votes

"Dragon Strike will still pull Jarvan IV to his Demacian Standard if he is immobilized but he will remain as such when he reaches his destination (duration permitting)."

He was designed to be able to do this. Its like Aatrox's Q, "If Aatrox is sent airborne or forced into Blood Well's Stasis during the initial flight time, Dark Flight will fail and will not cause him to dash. Other forms of crowd control applied while the animation is in progress will be suspended until the animation finishes." That's just how the abilities were designed.

Fisher No ChainsJul 14, 20171 votes

Oh, I see, I didn't know it was designed to work like this. Rip champions with snares then, considering how popular J4 is right now.

skyfall619Jul 14, 20171 votes

im am 100% certain that this was not intended but something riot just excepted even tho it shouldnt be the case.

Fuh QueueJul 14, 20172 votes

Because that interaction isn't a dash. It goes through no matter what happens to him while uses the abilities required. Yesterday I died while using the combo with GA and the animation happened whIle I was moving to my standard. Jarvan will move to his standard once he hits it with his Q No matter what, unless he dies.

Fisher No ChainsJul 14, 20172 votes

And does it even make sense? I mean, a snare is supposed to prevent you from moving.

koshkyraJul 14, 20171 votes

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And does it even make sense? I mean, a snare is supposed to prevent you from moving.

If it happens with my lissandra, it should happen with Jarvan too..

Fisher No ChainsJul 14, 20171 votes

Are you sure that it works the same way with Liss? I used to play her a lot and didn't really notice it.

koshkyraJul 14, 20171 votes

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Are you sure that it works the same way with Liss? I used to play her a lot and didn't really notice it.

As a veteran liss main, i can gauruntee that you cant E blink while movement restricted. So neither should jarvan.

TheHappyReaperzJul 14, 20171 votes

Except J4 doesn't need to reactivate an ability to dash. It happens whenever he hits a flag.

YuuMewNov 29, 20191 votes

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If it happens with my lissandra, it should happen with Jarvan too..

yes, but you can't reactivate your e while stunned or rooted, HE CAN.

LostFr0stJul 14, 20171 votes

cc always takes effect after the dash unless the cc explicitly states otherwise (like Veigar Event horizon).

They standardized all interactions to work like that around a dozen patches ago when they did the same with Ahri charm.

Fisher No ChainsJul 14, 20171 votes

The thing with J4 is that he can EQ LITERALLY while snared. If a Morgana hits a rank 5 Q on him, he can EQ even if the snare is still at half duration.

LostFr0stJul 14, 20171 votes

~~It's a snare, not a root. That's why he can EQ while snared. With a root he can't.~~

Fisher No ChainsJul 14, 20172 votes

Snare = root. Morg's Q roots units.

LostFr0stJul 14, 20171 votes

Rip, sorry. Yup, I'm boosted, my bad.

Must be another interaction like Camille Eing from inside Cassiopeia grounded W then.

EndlessSorcererJul 14, 20172 votes

Snare and root are equivalent terms.

They are two names for the same thing.

Big LincolnJul 14, 20172 votes

We could use more counters to CC meta

Fisher No ChainsJul 14, 20171 votes

Or we could use something that legit counters CCs (Zephyr was a thing for a reason) instead of bypassing them in a stupid way.

RookPusherJul 14, 20171 votes

If your feet are bound, you can still throw a rope and drag yourself.

Shuyin178Jul 14, 20171 votes

Why is Tristana and Ezreal able to jump while being pulled by Thresh, Blitz, supressed by Malz, rooted by anything? They can even do their mobility while Grounded if timed right too.

Pika FoxNov 29, 20191 votes

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Why is Tristana and Ezreal able to jump while being pulled by Thresh, Blitz, supressed by Malz, rooted by anything? They can even do their mobility while Grounded if timed right too.

Because they already activated their movement ability before CC was applied, and it takes effect after the CC was applied. Given its not a channel time, it doesnt get interrupted, and the game takes the most recent displacement takes priority.

This also works in reverse; Blitz/Singed can displace trist mid jump if her jump goes off before the CC hits her.

Also, this interaction is a buff to blitz thresh etc. If it was removed, it would mean their movement have no cast time, making them instant, meaning they would have never been hit in the first place.

BobaFlautistJul 14, 20171 votes

Mechanically, fo the same reason Blitzcrank can pull people while they're snared: it isn't a dash, but a pull (which is the same reason it can interrupt a knock-up or knockback if he fires out the q before they hit but it doesn't hit the flag until he's been cc'ed, while airborne effects usually cancel dashes).

In terms of the game play, because that's the way it was first coded, and the most recent time someone brought it up to the balance/bug team it was decided that it was a cool quirk that enhanced his unique identity and didn't really take away from the game. Much like singed q disappearing, a large number of skillshot-flash interaction (e g. Ahri) and Kha'zix being able to EW.

As such, it will almost definitely be randomly removed some point in the future, mentioned only within the bug fixes, hidden by the massive quantity of skin-specific graphic and audio fixes.

Pika FoxNov 29, 20191 votes

Snares dont stop dashes already in effect.

If leona presses E, then gets snared, E still goes off. If you snare leona first, she cant move with E.