Please don't rework Azir

RG Velean··7 votes·3,131 views

All changes to Azir change what makes Azir, Azir. Removing his Shuffle, makes him no different from any other mage and then your ult becomes a defensive tool rather than having flexability. The second proposed change is to reduce his range, and increase his tankiness. Now this is a less shitty change, but you then lose any poke and you have very little back line reach. You have to suicide to be able to get to the back.

31 Comments

Oleandervine4 votes

Azir can't have everything and be allowed to remain in the game. He's got to give up something, or else he's always going to be trash tier and unbalanced.

RG Velean2 votes

You mean like he currently is? He has no seige potential and his ult is shit. The only thing he has is his shuffle and his late game damage. He sits at a 41% win rate constantly even when he's strong. He's not a problem when he's strong because of how hard he can be to play.

DeathBurst1 votes

Yes, like he currently is, precisely. He is trash tier at the moment BECAUSE his kit has too many strength, SO he cannot be allowed to be viable for normal people.

RG Velean2 votes

Before this patch on 6.13 he was fine. He was healthy, not too strong and not too weak.

Elisheva2 votes

He is unique and must be assimilated. -Rito 2kforfuckingever

RcGjWO640w1 votes

I wouldn't mind seeing the change that makes him tankier. A huge problem of Azir right now is that he's a sustained damage dealing, immobile squishy. It means that he has to stay in the fight for several seconds to be useful. He can't just blow a bunch of cooldowns and get out, wait for them to come up and do it all over again. His core gameplay makes him extremely lethal to play. Matched with the fact that he can't build tanky into the mid game due to his extremely demanding itemization of item 3115 and item 3116 to get his mid game power spike, this means he doesn't have the flexibility of building something like item 3027.

Giving Azir more natural tankiness while also nerfing the ease of pulling off a Shurima Shuffle might put him in a place where he's both balanced for competitive and relatively balanced in ranked play. I think if they nerf the range of his Q while he's dashing with E, it'll keep him fairly mobile while not letting his playmaking ability run out of control.

Myrddin1 votes

The shuffle should have been addressed when first found, called a bug and removed.

RG Velean1 votes

Except it wasn't a bug.

DeathBurst2 votes

Yes it was. Did you actually read the reddit post mentioned in the video?

XxRAG3Valix2 votes

It's not a bug, all of his abilities are not locked and he is able to perform all of them in a moving state. He probably called it a bug to get non-azir players hyped.

Icestar11861 votes

A note: That was largely speculation by one rioter, who specifically said that it was in no way official: "These opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the balance team."

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

link to the reddit post referenced in the vid?

Quepha1 votes

Doing everything with no weaknesses is his identity!

Lugg1 votes

Let's face reality. He really is hard to master, but once you master him, he was OP. Riot was basically forced to gut him.

So if you want him to ever be good again, he needs some kind of rework. Something that makes him viable and healthy to play as and against, is something EVERY player in the game should want.

RG Velean1 votes

Not even. Even after 125 games his winrate was still only 46%.

Lugg2 votes

Notice I said "WAS OP". Currently he is pretty weak since 99% of players can't play him at a winning level. This is why he needs reworked, he is either OP or not viable with his current kit.

RG Velean1 votes

But last patch, he wasn't op. Then they decided to nerf his soldier damage for some reason.

Lugg1 votes

He was nerfed because laning against him was pretty toxic. He could poke you out easy.

Myrddin2 votes

i wouldnt say easily... he would have to use his soldier and Q and in reality at equal skill he gets some poke but almost anyone can all in him at that point

He does actually have bad match ups, but they nerfed those into the ground because that's how they balance the game... and surprise when you balance like that it throws a lot of things out of wack

JayyDubb691 votes

Not those who still do just fine with him. especially after all the time it took just to learn the guy

IxtaliKing1 votes

Would much rather him lose some range and keep his Shurima shuffle, if it came down to a choice out of the 2. If they removed the Shurima shuffle there would be no point him keeping that E, and he'd likely be a lot less interesting.

Calabok1 votes

Rework him to have counterplay

YurÌ on Ice1 votes

He is not getting reworked, everyone get off the "rito pls nerf and rework azir he is op" hype train and keep a closer eye on your red posts & patch notes for the future.

Myrddin1 votes

I would absolutely hate them reworking him into a tank mage... that takes away anything that makes him him

The shuffle is just a gimmick that can be removed imo, he is a mage adc, that's the point of him not a mage lee sin

Frigorenoctre1 votes

Or...just don't touch him? Like seriously, they reworked the already good champions that nobody plays..ex.) Azir (in the futurue), Syndra..she was already amazing but the recent buffs were...a completely overly done, leblanc, also...she now has higher burst but only for a 1 second difference.. And anything is 'op' if you master the champion...it's not just oh wow, that guy is playing really well! What a broken champion! Riot, we need a nerf, then people say, oh look, hes broken now, or, he is garbage now..people don't understand what 'broken' or Op' really means, its just a term that people throw around when they can't beat a certain champion in the game a couple times...Azir is fine the way he is..late game hes amazing, early game is the time to shut him down, why can't people see this and realize, oh..if we gank him..he can't do anything late game except use his ult for a team-positioning shift. If you don't like that even though he can be shut down early but nobody cares and does nothing like pressuring lanes like they should, well then..change his ult, his kit, make him a new champion, remove the current name, because that's what people are making riot do indirectly, forcing them to change a perfectly balanced champion that has one of the weakest early game phases, into something 'tanky' or god forbid, 'immobile'...just dont change him...hes fine the way he is...people just complain about everything..and if i said i don't play azir...people will throw shade and say 'You don't even play him, scrub you don't know how good/bad he is!' and seriously, A CHAMPION IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE ONE PLAYING THEM, if you're bad at him, he will suck...it's common logic for gods sake..people have a hard time to realize this? And if i said i do play him everybody will say oh look, he is defending his champion...people will never be satisfied riot..just breath in, breath out and reconsider if he actually needs to be gutted into something he doesn't need.

RG Velean1 votes

I'm saying to not rework him.

JayyDubb691 votes

How do I put this...Azir is easily still in the top champs for mid. the trick is you have to lose a lot before you will finally start winning with him. In the right hands he can be an easy game changer, especially late game. Those who disagree just haven't seen a good Azir in awhile. I do not think they should rework Azir it is complete Bull Shit , and for those who say he is trash tier or garbage how bout you look up his tier and see what tier he actually is. I'm fine with him being all super nerfed because if he wasn't it would be unfair because his kit is pretty op. A change, the one they are talking about, would ruin him so please Riot don't do it, the actual Azir players are tired of you messing with him I would rather have him out of meta then in meta.

Mystic Falco1 votes

Azir is getting changed, because he has too many tools in his kit. I do have an idea what Riot could do to make major change yet keep the shuffle play style. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/5GoFFycP-regarding-the-azir-rework

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