How The Rageblade and E Nerfs Will Effect Yi's Overall Damage(50% dps loss?)Math

UrFieryDoom··1 votes·1,510 views

Credits: Source Walker Reddit With the Yi changes Rito wants to do to our Wuju Bladesman I decided to once again look @ his numbers and see how this change will affect his damage to champions w/ the new rage blade nerf and E nerf. Math may not be perfect but paints a decent idea how these changes will effect our damage... Lets jump into it.

I decided to use the worse case sanarios in terms of AD loss through the use of items like DD and steraks as 3rd/4th items as those are the only real AD that these items give along with on hit items. Estimations are a bit rough but should give a general idea of what these changes will do. I will be using a 2k hp target for these calculations as that is what Yi should face ~mid game.

IF ANYONE SEES ANY MAJOR MISTAKES IN THESE NUMBERS SAY IN PM/COMMENTS AND I'LL TRY TO FIX :).


E AD passive loss @lvls2/6/13/16:

7/8/9/11/11

AD at level 13 w/ br/rb/DD/steraks

115/140/222/285

AD w/o 10% modifier 104/129/209/259

E AD passive loss w/ items(br/rb/DD/steraks respectively)@13

0/4/21/26

E true damage w/ 10% modifier w/ items 6/15/46/63

E true damage damage w/o 10%

2/11/39/56

E damage w/o 10% AND lowered to 25% bonus 2/7.5/27.5/40

Bonus AD w/ items w/ 10% @13

16/41/123/186

Bonus AD w/ items w/o bonus @13

5/30/110/169

Credit to u/IXdyTedjZJAtyQrXcjww for doing the calc for when on hit effects proc making this WORLDS easier.

Damage Over 12 autos(to calc for double strike interaction loss+phantom hit loss) @lvl13 w/ 2/3/4 items

@2 items currently

140 AD w/ on a 2000 HP target 80 bloodrazer damage plus 15 magic damage plus X true damage from E. On hit effects over 12 autos proc a total of 22 times from what I can see from his SS

140x(12 basic+1.5 from double)+((80+15)x22)+(61x22)

1,890 phy +2,090 on hit+1,342 true = 5,322 pre resistances

@3 items 222x13.5 + same on hit+ 96x22

2,997 phy + 2,090 on hit + 2,112 true = 7,353 pre resistances

@4 items

285x13.5 + same on hit + 103x22

3,496.5 + 2,090 on hit + 2,266 true = 8,203.5 pre resistances

5,322/7,353/8,203


Damage after both E AND rage blade nerf

On hit effects are lowered from 22 to 19

@2 items: 104x13.5+95x19+(40+(.25x41)=3,256.5 pre resistances

@3 items: 4,697.25 pre resistances @4 items: 5,388 damage pre resistances


ALL these changes to Master Yi and his interaction w/ rageblade effectively will lower his damage by the % shown below.

48.1553% difference/44.0779% difference/41.4245% difference

14 Comments

Mr Elessar2 votes

Biased poll answers again.

UrFieryDoom1 votes

I mean from your perspective if they just, out of no where remove GA, how would you feel about that? [zombie-brand-clap]

IP Masquerena2 votes

I'd be fucking happy.

My most played champs are mages and AP assassins, and GA was removed from them when it was changed, so having all champs have the fair 1 life? HELL YEA!!!

Why should only AD pay no price for a 2nd life? Yes, they get lower AD from it than from other items, but that 1up can swing a game.

Mr Elessar1 votes

This has nothing to do with my comment. You created a skewed poll to make others who disagree with you feel bad about themselves.

Silly Neeko1 votes

Heres the thing. Yi has been a MAJOR offender of on hit items (see sated devourer and wriggles lantern days) for many many many years. People complain about there being too much damage, but one of the MAJOR offenders of being able to almost literally 1v5 any game he is in.... IN SECONDS... once he is about to lose some damage people start flipping their lid? Heck, he is one of the only junglers who can LITERALLY solo baron with 2 items.... maybe 3. I do not think any other jungler can say the same except maybe Jax, or Xin, but even then it would be iffy.

Seriously. Yi is still going to be stupidly strong and will probably go back to his crit build and 1hko people yet again.

But also, a tip for you is that some people (myself included) have no clue what the changes actually are. Post the chamges and I might be able to aliviate some of your worries

UrFieryDoom1 votes

No critical is bad on Yi, I mained him for years so I am experienced with builds. Crit cannot carry unless enemies don't have cc. See this for reference: https://twitter.com/RiotRepertoir

Illabethe3 votes

Crit was fine on him for years, and while he was building crit he had about a steady 52% win rate. Cannot carry indeed.

Not like Crit could 1 shot any adc in the game.

Ragnaveil1 votes

I remember doing crit yi mid in plat and getting a pentakill in s6/7. The mains will be fine, they'll adjust like they always have. The only ones that complain are the ones that dont want to.

Silly Neeko3 votes

I like how you conveniently overlooked the entire first part of my message, proceeded to counteract with "ive mained him for years", and then claim that crit Yi has any different difficulties than if he was onhit. It is near literally swapping the on hit damage into crits, and then making his Q literally stronger.

Believe me.... ive been around for a long while, and have a very good chance at having over 2x as many games into league as you do. I was not there for AP Yi's reign, but I have seen some videos. I was here to see Yi swapping between on-hit, crit, on-hit, tanky, to on-hit again and at no point at all did his damage really waver at all. He still did all the Yi things hes always done.

Also.... if that is for the changes, then I will pass. Ill wait for the patch notes.

Illabethe1 votes

Stop thinking there's only one build. Yi was viable long before Guinsoo's was integrated into the game.

He was an on hit Crit champ.

There's always a different build.

Jesus Is My King1 votes

your kidding, ... YI.yi cana 1v9. anything nerfing him is fair.

JuiceBoxP1 votes

You know what i am sad about? I'm sad about the fact that my Vi will have a hard time using rageblade now, but i will adjust.

Any yi nerfs are a blessing. That idiotic champion could 1vs1 rammus with wits end

usul12021 votes

Weren't you the guy who posted the math on "4 ie yi is the best possible build"? Why don't you just keep running that....

marcopolo6561 votes

my issue is that people complain that yi is op. but yet his fighting requires him ot get ult resets and all you have to do is buy ga or zhonyas. also if your a tank just get thornmail and some heath yi's true damage is flat so all you have to do it stack heath and one or two armor items. yi without ult is crippled in fights. also cc exists and thats why he has a poor win rate in higher elo. also the reason yi gets fed is because laners are way over extended and a good yi or player can punish that. so to summarize the reason yi stomps you is becuase YOU made mistakes

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