Health AP items are out of Control

RisenFromTheAsh·6/24/2016, 11:21:49 PM·7 votes·1,114 views

Between item 3027 , item 3152 , item 3116 , and item 3151 , most midlaners can have more health than a Full tank sion jungle in the mid-game. The thing is, items like Rod and Rylai's don't even give up on any Ap stats, they give more then item 3285 or item 3165 !!!!!!

8 Comments

IcyPepper6/24/2016, 11:35:29 PM3 votes

most midlaners can have more health than a Full tank sion jungle in the mid-game.

I don't recall the exact math, but health needs resistances to really "oomph" the effective health. Sure, a mage can have the same health as a tank, but without resistances they're going to be somewhat squishy. It also makes them weaker to items like item 3153 item 3036 that happen to be ADC items.

Every class has access to at least one specific type of defensive stat. Mages generally don't have access to building sustain comparable to their AD carry cousins, and therefore get a higher HP pool. Lifesteal does increase your effective health pool as long as you're in a fight, but keeps your total health pool low to keep you weak to burst/assassinations. HIgher HP in mages, but lower defenses, makes you weaker to sustained fights but at least helps mitigate some upfront burst that doesn't scale with your health.

So yes, comparing it to a tank on paper does make it sound OP, but without as much defenses your effective HP isn't as great. Without access to lifesteal (I'm talking in general terms here, champion specific cases with sustain such as Swain and Vlad get complained about on a daily basis), their HP pool gets to be higher than average.

ShinkoMinori6/24/2016, 11:26:59 PM1 votes

The only problem with this is Malz tbh... other midlaners are tanky but he needs roa rylais and liandries making him way too tanky.

xxxMadLionxxx6/24/2016, 11:34:58 PM1 votes

you forgot item 3030 .

SwiftKitten886/24/2016, 11:41:10 PM1 votes

item 3151 is worthless because the passive is so bad and it costs the same asitem 3116 item 3027 rod has its drawback because of the time it takes to stack

item 3116 item 3152 anditem 3030 are all decent

but your avoiding the actual problem with the ap mages

the issue isnt these items.. the issue is Vladimir andSwain andViktor just being too strong

you dont EVER really see other mid laners likeAhri Akali Annie Brand Heimerdinger Katarina Lux Ziggs Syndra Orianna Kassadin Karthus Cassiopeia

played much anymore because of how strong those 3 currently are

Marshbouy6/25/2016, 11:41:20 PM1 votes

most midlaners can have more health than a Full tank sion jungle in the mid-game.

that is a blatant lie. Unless that Sion has no items and no CS. the only one that gives more AP then ludens and morellos is rylais. Rylais has always been a 100 ap item.