Champions stuck outside the meta

RisenFromTheAsh·12/14/2018, 6:45:07 PM·9 votes·6,569 views

Anivia Ashe Fiddlesticks Ivern Kalista Kindred KogMaw Nautilus Quinn Rumble Skarner Trundle Volibear MonkeyKing Yorick Zac Zilean

In my opinion, these and a few other champions are "outdated". Let me explain.

Almost all of these champions currently have a much better, or faster version of themselves in the meta right now. Many of these champions take setup or cooperation from teammates. This season there isn't enough time for setup.

An example of champions who need help are: Ashe Kalista These champions offer almost nothing better then other carries, except for their ultimates. Kalista has history of being a problem so lets focus on ashe. Her ultimate is the only reason to pick her currently, since her passive slows are meaningless in this meta and she has no mobility. Kaisa/lucian can deal more dmg, all while being faster and more resilient.
Trundle Skarner Why pick Trundle or Skarner when you can pick Rhaast (red kayn) or an assassin. Kayn can heal more, deal more, move more and has more CC at more range. Skarner also has a history of being in a bad spot, and i'm not sure how to make these champions feel better to play. I feel bad playing champions that have less when i know i could be doing more just because of my pick.

Do you guys agree? Do you think these champions are fine. or what would you give them (or takeaway from someone) to help?

I wonder if Item or Rune changes is what needed, instead of champion buffs/nerfs? [sg-lux-2]

27 Comments

ZackTheWaffleMan12/14/2018, 8:10:02 PM11 votes

Vi is just a worse Camille

Frosted Tips12/14/2018, 7:27:20 PM4 votes

Two things I would like to say:

  1. Rumble used to be super Meta, but alot of mobility has been added to the game since then and that hurts him hard. Also Corki has a better version of Rumble Ultimate. I think Rumble R needs a slow buff or apply grounded to a target.
  2. Many of the champions you posted have major flaws in their kits that when strong they will always be OP, so many if not all you posted need a minimum of a VGU.
True Garen12/15/2018, 6:00:36 AM4 votes

Shyvana, please.

FenjaminBranklen12/14/2018, 10:02:06 PM3 votes

teemo has been outside the meta since s3. I have mained him since s3. I think the runes reforged system was a net nerf to him and a lot of champs in terms of diversity.

All the same, I basically onetrick teemo. ":outside meta" really only means unpopular among pros.

Support Position12/15/2018, 7:50:00 AM3 votes

I wish they would just revert seaosn 8 all together... Give us back old masteries and rune pages... and just make old runes 0 BE/RP... Simple...

PhearBunny12/14/2018, 8:38:31 PM3 votes

The list is a helluva lot longer than that, but yeah. If you want to have any impact you have to pick meta.

You CAN play non-meta and do well, but you aren't going to have any control of the game.

I think an easy fix would be to popularize Twisted Treeline, since some of these champions actually excel on TT. Or introduce another competitive map, a 4v4 or a 6v6 which will inevitably have different metas.

feintfiend12/14/2018, 7:39:48 PM3 votes

My guy Yorick needs some <3

Lemonfaace12/26/2018, 6:26:10 PM2 votes

I’d say Ashe is my main adc, and she’s actually quite good behind a tank. Her slows can make all the difference, due to her ability to take over lane with her amazingly-long range.

Find a good time to trade? Hit the enemy with a W for a “crit” slow and turn on your Q to deal massive damage that only an outplay should be able to counter. You can keep tabs on the enemy jungler and mid laner with your hawkshot. She’s also really good at taking out split pushers who aren’t Tryndamere or Camille, once again due to her long range slows, vision, and stun. She’s an incredible engager if put in the right hands, with her ult being able to stun someone for up to a whopping 3.5 seconds, so I’d say she’s actually fair in this meta. The only problem is that nobody plays tank anymore.

AR URF12/15/2018, 2:12:49 AM2 votes

actually Anivia is very relevant and I carried myself to gold 5 with her. I got demoted back to silver 1 unfortunately.

If you wall correctly, you can block Kayn from going into a wall.

H1de on blue12/15/2018, 4:23:34 AM2 votes

Zac Ivern

LOL

2002201212/15/2018, 12:34:46 PM2 votes

Don't know of a better Anivia (DPS Mage). She's out of meta because DPS mages aren't meta really. Burst is king nowadays.

Ashe isn't picked because DPS and safety isn't meta, but burst and tank melting (Ashe can't do either). Wait until ADCs become absolutely useless and Ashe will be meta because of her ultimate, alongside Sivir.

Fiddlesticks is a niche pick and I would argue is doing fine. The only kind of meta where Fiddle would be good in is a meta in which the jungle is insanely hard to clear and ward trinkets are removed.

Ivern is a niche pick. Can't survive in a meta where junglers are actually useful. There is no better support jungler available.

Kalista is getting buffs and I would argue that there is no better mobile ADC than her, it's just that in a meta with Camille jungle she can't really survive.

Kindred are being played and there is no better alternative to a hyper scaling ranged jungler. The thing is that Graves has way better early ganks and burst, but that is a completely different role than Kindred who are teamfighters and hyperscaling DPS junglers.

Kog'Maw is a hyperscaling ADC who is not meta and probably won't be because Kai'Sa exists. He is not played that much because the meta focuses on individual strength rather than specific comps. Also, Kai'Sa's build is way more flexible since she can build against squishies and tanks, while Kog'Maw doesn't have a good build path for popping squishies.

Nautilus is just a shit jungler, his numbers can never be high enough for him to be both a good jungler and a balanced toplaner. But since Sejuani is getting nerfed, maybe he'll see more play.

Quinn is a niche pick and I doubt there is any better Ranged AD Assassin than her. There is no better DPS teamfighter than Rumble and he is seeing enough play, idk what you're talking about.

Skarner is a niche pick but there are way better gankers available. There is no better juggernaut jungler than him.

Trundle can't be meta because toplaners fulfill a slightly different role and because junglers have better ganking potential. Trundle was never about healing a bunch but rather disabling the tanks and carries, i.e. disruptive potential.

Volibear is just a shit champ that needs a rework. There are better alternatives to him but I wouldn't say he isn't played.

Wukong is just hit with the nerf hammer every time he is played, since he got revently nerfed I wouldn't say he's not meta, he's just too weak to be played at all. I don't think here are better assassin teamfighters than him, except maybe blue Kayn because of his ultimate.

Yorick is played but he can't ever be made viable for pro play because then he'll be broken in soloq. Don't really think there is a better split pushing juggernaut in the game.

Zac is played a lot so idk why you put him here.

Zilean is a niche pick but nowadays the laning phase dictates a lot of the game so sacrificing it for a chance to revive your dumb ADC who is weak because they had no laning phase is not a good idea. Janna is just a better version because she has more reliable CC and an actual laning phase.

RekSai CoffeeCo12/15/2018, 2:08:33 AM1 votes

RekSai

hoganftw12/15/2018, 6:45:31 AM1 votes

Honestly I forgot Zac existed lmao. He used to be such a goddamn terror and now I haven't seen one in literally years.

PlsBuffMyMain12/14/2018, 8:18:48 PM1 votes

Trundle Skarner are much more reliable than Kayn and their early game is far stronger. Trundle has fallen out of the meta because of the decline of tanks. Kayn obtaining Rhaast depends on a few variables.

Rathar Dashing12/14/2018, 8:13:33 PM1 votes

Yes, please buff my ice birb :D

Sharpest glasses12/15/2018, 12:41:42 PM1 votes

Kalista is outmeta cause nerfed hard, not cause she's outdated. When viable in mid elo (diams) she's op in high elo (D1+). She's the best when viable.

GodlyBane12/15/2018, 4:21:33 AM1 votes

Anivia has been good all of season 8, and probs will be in s9 as well. Kindred isnt a very good champion but shes not outdated, thats for sure. Also yorick?? he was god teir just last season??

Cats Are Food12/26/2018, 3:32:56 PM1 votes

Mordekaiser

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