remove lulu's pixie capped attack speed

Raptorspls·11/15/2015, 1:54:22 AM·77 votes·7,259 views
Lulu

We know for a fact that lulu's pixie dmg is capped by attack speed.

"At 2.000 attack speed Pix will fire an endless stream of bolts. at 2.001 attack speed Pix will not be able to match the speed and will start to lose bolts." - league of legends wikia

This stands as an indirect nerf to all attack speed based champions, especially kog'maw whose attack speed far exceeds two attacks per second. Can we please have this cap removed so lulu can synergize with adcs who utilize attack speed. I believe this is important in fleshing out lulu's identity in who she works well with cause right now lulu is and has been a power pick for all teams. By making the suggested changes you cause lulu to polarize in how well she works between attack speed based champions/adcs and champions not based on attack speed.

I also believe this needs to be followed up with nerfs to other pieces of her kit, so lulu isn't one of the best supports/mid for any team comp. Nerfs could include categorizing her ult as self healing. (as it increases their max health instead of directly healing them) This would make having grievous wounds a source of counter play to lulu.

I just want some ways for lulu to have identifiable weakness in ranked 5s while increasing her impact in soloq.

TLDR; remove lulu's pixie attack speed cap and make her have a solid place instead of fit everything.

Any suggestions or comments are appreciated. I apologize for any English mistakes.

P.S. Another potential change I thought of is making lulu's health increase on the ult scale with a percentage of the maximum health on the target she is ulting. This could be given a minimum value so it isn't useless on squishy champions, though that minimum value should be a decent amount lower than the current ult. This would once against help solidify what kind of champions she works well with and instead of running her in both protect the adc and engage comps, she would be far better in the later.

53 Comments

Baron Perenolde11/15/2015, 7:25:40 AM17 votes

Why nerf support Lulu at all? She can be annoying, but it's solo-lane Lulu that's a problem, not support...

Valderis Vandala11/15/2015, 3:02:04 AM9 votes

I've commented about the attack speed limitation as well, thats not even all that is wrong with it but getting the speed limitation removed would be nice.

I disagree with the self healing bit though. coughlulu-maincough XD But seriously, the skill is not a heal its a temporary stat boost, it increases your max health. But even if it where considered a heal it wouldn't make sense for it to be a self heal since you literally can't ever use it on yourself, this is just completely counter intuitive.

Lulu is squishy as fuck if you want to counter her just throw damage at her.

EDIT: I'm an idiot, you can ult yourself, I have no idea why I wrote you can't target yourself. I'm surprised nobody has called me out on that yet. XD

Koechophe11/15/2015, 4:45:36 AM5 votes

Grevious wounds no longer applies to allied healing affects, so having GW hurt lulu's ult makes no sense.

Sire Hippington11/15/2015, 3:45:05 AM3 votes

to be onest, i prefer it that way, or atleast capping at 2.5 else. kog and/or lulu would be either generally weak for them selfs, or totally broken if combined. imagin a midlane lulu + kog, with 600+ap, thats easily another 200 damage on hit, so another 1k dps lategame....

Done2511/15/2015, 2:04:57 AM3 votes

+1 bump

morris111/15/2015, 12:31:36 PM2 votes

Don't, if Lulu has 500 ap and E's a Kog with W, in 6 seconds Pix only will deal 5400 magic damage.

(done the maths in a very long fancy wall of text, but it didn't post so yea simplicity)

GfdY3D87gp11/15/2015, 11:15:42 AM1 votes

No. Lulu doesn't need buffs.

Transgressor11/15/2015, 11:42:39 AM1 votes

No, fuck LuLu buffs.

Athenes Lulu11/15/2015, 4:24:38 AM1 votes

It's very rare for someone to go above 2.0 attackspeed, so I hardly ever experience that problem. The attack speed cap might be because of some kind of technical limitations that couldn't let Pix go over the cap.

Even though a fix on that would be great, honestly.

I have no idea on why her ult isn't considered a heal, when in reality it has been used as one even though heals from allies can't be reduced anymore so the nerf is deemed useless.

CoolKnightST11/15/2015, 12:36:59 PM1 votes

Who need lulu support buffs. Not another solo lane buff...

Dominick Destine11/15/2015, 4:06:57 PM1 votes

Kog + Lulu would be brokenly overpowered with that ultra high attack speed.

I say leave it as it is.

Shroom Junkie11/15/2015, 4:35:38 PM1 votes

Not right now. ADC's are too strong as it is, maybe when they're fixed you can buff Lulu to interact with them better, but until then... no.

Raptorspls11/15/2015, 6:01:19 PM1 votes

bump

Hyrum Graff11/15/2015, 6:08:07 PM1 votes

You already have some of the "weaker on adcs" feel because of Dominik's.

alfavhunter11/15/2015, 6:27:50 PM1 votes

Lulu kogmaw new best kogmaw support

WolfBV11/15/2015, 7:24:36 PM1 votes

I didn't even know it was capped. Oh well, all the more reason to play fuck boots all AD lulu.

KaisadiIIa11/15/2015, 9:41:02 PM1 votes

I also believe this needs to be followed up with nerfs to other pieces of her kit, so lulu isn't one of the best supports/mid for any team comp.

We'd have to nerf Lulu because if you E an ally with more than 2.0 attack speed she'd deal ~60 more damage per second?