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As someone who's mained fizz for 100< games... Can we rework him

LICENSED HOOKER··47 votes·3,019 views

I just feel that, the all in potential is wayy to high.

Like at level 3 i feel like im guaranteed a kill even if i mess up the combo as long as i have ignite, unless im playing vs someone like Diana or Kassadin, Heimerdinger.

I feel the frustration of other people and honestly id like to play other mid laners without having to worry about people playing Fizz vs me, cause there is nothing more scary then seeing someone play a champion you've mastered and know their true power.

EDIT: I know this isnt related that much, but i feel like item 3139 needs to get reverted back to its original form. I know riot intended to give Zed mains a chance but by doing this they kinda buffed both Fizz and Zed along side with making it even harder to play ADC in this current op tripple passive proc'ing % max health damage meta.

**EDIT 2 ** IT BE IT BEGINS BOYS ONE NERF AT A TIME, ILL BE ABLE TO PLAY FIZZ 100% OF THE TIME SOON WITH THESE NERFS C:

75 Comments

Hinagiku3314 votes

Maybe if Fizz wasn't un-targetable for so much of the game he'd be a healthier champ.

Until trollpole gets some real nerfs he's one of my top bans whenever I get the chance.

Vesarixx1 votes

I hate his ultimate way more than I hate his E, it has this mini suppress right before the knockup that feels super unnatural and prevents repositioning at a key time

Rozair1 votes

Agreed I also hate the fact that his ult has a crazy high damage % to it

Kanzler1 votes

If it didn't have % damage then his other abilities would just be buffed to compensate for the damage. That option is far more oppressive.

Big Lincoln5 votes

not like he's perfectly capable of killing most people without his ult

Gorgannan1 votes

At higher levels, without being fed, he can't. He' just be feast or famine.

Vistha Kai1 votes

You could Flash out of the damage right before it hit you, no idea if that's still true.

Vesarixx1 votes

you can't anymore

LICENSED HOOKER1 votes

I think thats really it, Fizz +item 3057 + 40% cdr = toxic

I get so much hate to the point where my own irl friends will watch me die as fizz vs thresh lanterning or lux shielding me LOL

Electric Buyers1 votes

...what?

Cynika11 votes

I really hate fizz. But as a vlad main, I feel obligated to say be careful what you wish for.

forresto6 votes

I honestly really like the vlad rework. I like that stacking health actually means something now besides boosting your w. plus the healing on the 3rd q can be insane.

Cynika2 votes

Obviously this is just my opinion, but I hate it. Health stacking is inefficient once they have a single MR item. CR healing is nice, but it's super unreliable in team fights and way too easy to outplay in lane. It's just in general too easy to outplay vlad with his new design, for not much pay off if you outplay them.

forresto1 votes

Idk, I'm in silver, and I've had a different experience, but maybe its different in higher elos. besides, once you build a rylais you never stop being useful. you can always fall back on being a slow-bot if the enemy gets too tanky. the value of a spammy point-click single target spell coupled with rylais can't be understated.

Jet Sett4 votes

Isn't all in potential his thing though? I've been told he can't actually harass in lane without going in. You could argue that he's safe when going in and coming back out, but he has to use two abilities to get in and out. Not saying he isn't infuriating bullshit, just commenting on how all ins are what he does.

JVP157 votes

Yeah, all in potential is his thing, and from what I know, he does kinda have to go all in if he wants to harass. The problem is, when he goes all in, he gets a kill. If he messes up, he still might get a kill, but at least he will come out safe. That is the problem. Fighting Fizz is like trying to say the alphabet backwards, rub your stomach and your head in opposite directions, play Dark Souls, and find Waldo. Is it doable? Maybe. Is is frusterating as hell and you find your pants down at your ankle? Yes. I might be exaggerating a bit.

Jet Sett1 votes

Nah nah nah, you can't play Dark Souls with anything less than two hands, otherwise you don't get past the tutorial.

JVP156 votes

You mean you can't just grow two extra hands at will? Geeze. Kids these days.

deadlychuck1 votes

Dance pad?

Partholonian1 votes

Dark Souls is one of the few games I have played where the tutorial is supposed to kill you (granted, it's so that it can then teach you about how to play as a ghost and come back to life, but still).

eaglei34 votes

Fizz would be more manageable if stuns/roots actually stopped people mid dash. What kills me about playing against Fizz is you can hit him during his Q movement, but it still gets him in position to further attack you. Unless you are excellent at still following his movement, you may miss your next attack. If you wait to long, his root/stun ends and you are troll polled on top of.

This is the biggest downfall to me in fighting someone like Fizz is that only a new displacement skill can alter his movement. Not many mids have this.

notmebuthim4 votes

Fizz E isn't the problem with Fizz. I understand why its annoying, but its not why he is strong. Lets take away the un-target ability, his mobility is the same his damage is the same and his all in is the same. He is just as scary. I play only Talon and I really only don't like playing against Fizz Karma Malzahar and Yasuo .

Serika Zero2 votes

Fizz E does more damage than Old Fiora ultimate, offers him more control, can be used at any time, anywhere and is has like 5-7 seconds cooldown. Meanwhile my Fiora got bitched over several times, seen a bunch of nerfs and then eventually got reworked because she could do a similar thing to Fizz, every minute. Except with less control and required enemy champion within 400 range for target >.>

Yet Fizz is the "le healthy hero".

Mylon Requiem4 votes

I too believe that I know what needs to be changed about a champion based on my Silver 5 experiences. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

BladeSteel2 votes

Not only that he hasn't even played fizz in ranked.

FioraWillCarry3 votes

Fizz has to kill you when he all-ins. He will die very easily most times if he all-ins fails to kill his target. Also his damage is quite mediocre for an assassin without Spellblade items like Gaultlet or LichBane. He doesn't need a nerf or a rework. He's fine the way he is in my opinion.

Sammystorm1 votes

Depends on what point of the game we are talking about. His E is a reliable get out of jail free card.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

{quoted}

Depends on what point of the game we are talking about. His E is a reliable get out of jail free card.

Thankfully, a lot of Fizz players get overzealous and engage with their E which leaves them open to a very easy counter attack. Opening with E is a sure way to die as Fizz against an opponent who's actually thinking.

Sammystorm1 votes

Late game if he builds ap it has a very short cooldown or he is tanky and he is fine anyways.

forresto1 votes

not if they build tank fizz.

MLDzXnRRR2 votes

Fizz used to be really strong some years ago and people weren't complaining so much... Being annoying is not equal to being strong. W+Q used to kill squishies. Now you need the E and they may still survive.

LiveYiOrDieHard5 votes

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Fizz used to be really strong some years ago and people weren't complaining so much...

Because one of his weaknesses is that he falls off lategame when people don't get 1-shot by him anymore. Unfortunately Riot is steadily removing late game from league.

I mean it's not even like he's a top ban right now. There are other more broken champs. I'm just saying that as Riot keeps adding more and more snowballing to the game (ffs riot why?) fizz is going to keep getting stronger.

Chuck Charles2 votes

honestly the only thing on his kit that needs a rework is his W. The E is his signature move. the ult is a skill shot. and the Q is just a basic dash.

the W has always been the most infuriating part of his kit. because the E applies a slow his auto attacks in extended trades are pretty nasty and the damage over time lacks clarity. many times I've been like "im going to survive" and forget the W has DOT. granted, thats on me. not riot, but i wish his W was something different. it is really really strong. and they've gutted it so many times. it just needs to be something different at this point.

YJRBqwXJcS2 votes

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=oldonyx where exactly are all these fizz matches you speak of ?

Serika Zero1 votes

not everyone is posting on forums from their main account, like, i'm posting with my eune acc while main is no euw

YJRBqwXJcS2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Serika Zero,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E9EcfN5U,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2016-05-16T10:56:59.657+0000)

not everyone is posting on forums from their main account, like, i'm posting with my eune acc while main is no euw

then he should post his main account if hes going to bring up stuff like 100+ fizz games.

It Hertz When IP2 votes

Or you could try for form a counterargument based purely on numbers and facts.

LICENSED HOOKER1 votes

Well i've played that amount in normals. I dont really play ranked unless i have friends because premades are frustrating

YJRBqwXJcS1 votes

{quoted}

Well i've played that amount in normals. I dont really play ranked unless i have friends because premades are frustrating

Normals don't matter for game balance

LICENSED HOOKER1 votes

Ah how does that make any sense..

YJRBqwXJcS1 votes

{quoted}

Ah how does that make any sense..

normals mean nothing

LICENSED HOOKER2 votes

Rankaded doesnt affect how hard it is to play a champion, maybe normals wont be able to define the skill cap of a champion. However you still gotta play a champ in normals to get a feel and eventually master it in some aspect to know what your doing before doing it..

agbudar1 votes

his E cooldown should get nerfed as follows from 16/14/12/10/8 > 20/18/16/14/12

and perhaps give him some damage elsewhere his Q for example.

i understand riot wants him to be slippery but atm it should either be his damage or his moblity that needs to go not to mention his frikkin untargetable crap

YJRBqwXJcS1 votes

{quoted}

his E cooldown should get nerfed as follows from 16/14/12/10/8 > 20/18/16/14/12

and perhaps give him some damage elsewhere his Q for example.

this is why nobody takes this area of the boards serious

why the fuck would you give him more damage to his targetted ability.

agbudar1 votes

what else would you give him damage on? his E already hits hard for what it does.

YJRBqwXJcS1 votes

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what else would you give him damage on? his E already hits hard for what it does.

His E is a skillshot, and most of the time people stand under it like idiots.

Remember what happened when fizz had more power in his kit than his ult?

everybody and you bitched about him being able to kill people without using his ult.

agbudar1 votes

tried him yesterday he still does exactly that... kill people without ult just fine.

YJRBqwXJcS1 votes

{quoted}

tried him yesterday he still does exactly that... kill people without ult just fine.

doesn't happen instantly anymore

agbudar1 votes

yea.. that should not happen ... like ever thats what makes people ban him in the first place

LICENSED HOOKER1 votes

ALMOST THERE

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