I get it, Vayne is really strong right now...

Dingding123··32 votes·1,777 views

but can we talk about PTA counterjungle Shyvana?

I just played a gruelingly long, boring and drawn-out game against a team with a jungle Shyv. She very quickly took first drag and made it to where our J4 simply had nothing to jungle on our side of the river. 25 minutes in everything was still even, both teams had roughly equal kills, turrets and vision but they were up 3 dragons that Shyv solo'd and she was level 14 and constantly had buffs while our J4 was 3 levels down and could do nothing at all but farm whatever he found. Then they just grouped and pushed mid against us and two inhibitors and a baron later we lost horribly.

Even though she doesn't accomplish that every game, the games where she does hurt my chest and make me wish I had 35 minutes of my life back. There's literally zero interaction from her except when she dives a turret with ult and a laner and then it's typically at least one free kill for her and her team. If she decides to not dive, PTA and AA resets annihilate frontlines.

I'd rather take a bullet to the head than 5 to the chest and bleed out, man. Jungle Shyv is not fun to play against. At least Vanye West and Akali put you out of your misery.

25 Comments

Colton1479 votes

Shyvana is finally viable after so long in the gutters. It is her time to shine.

Shyvana excels at counter-jungling. What she is weak in is her trash ganks. A Shyvana would rather farm and counter-jungle than to gank.

TylerBrah24 votes

Couldn't the same thing be said about Vayne going by your own logic?

She's been literal junk status in every meta and only becomes strong for one pre season and it's already off with her head

BigBonedCartman4 votes

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Couldn't the same thing be said about Vayne going by your own logic?

She's been literal junk status in every meta and only becomes strong for one pre season and it's already off with her head

xd but vayne is an extremely toxic champion with no way to play around her abilities and she hasn't been always junk status lul

Bjørnetjenesten13 votes

Daily dose of hypocrisy from the league boards. Love it

xelaker2 votes

Yep it's people like this guy that make the gameplay board a joke.

LordGeovanni1 votes

Hypocrisy how? Vayne's counter play is play a champion that out ranges her and can burst her good luck because everyone first picks vayne. She then makes every melee champion except some assassins unviable gg 65% of the champion roster and any semblance of a decent team composition. Shyvanna has the counter play where you kite her when her w and e are being used and fight her when the are down. if your are a ranged champion you kite her in general she cant get to you without blowing her ult which is easily visable and even then she can be peeled off Vayne can dodge your spells with an empowered auto attack with no cooldown is doing a % of your max hp in true damage with flat true damage and she has self peel with her E ignoring that it stuns Just with adcs natural item 3086 builds they are the fastest ambient movement speed charcters in the game vayne also has her passive that guarantees you cant run away from her her ult buffs that passive and along with her e helps her peel while giving her shit ton of ad.

Naon11 votes

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Couldn't the same thing be said about Vayne going by your own logic?

She's been literal junk status in every meta and only becomes strong for one pre season and it's already off with her head

She's been strong in a few seasons, and she has to be nerfed because of that exact reason. Her kit makes her dominate if she is buffed even a little or an item she uses is. This is why she needs a rework.

Steelflame2 votes

Good job describing ADCs in general.

Because they all do the same shit basicly, if any little part of them puts them out of line they dominate the position, and you pick to survive them.

no to toxic1 votes

A adc who deals the most single target dmg while having the best outplay and peel potential than any other adc will be toxic if you can`t destroy her in lane by just sneezing at her then you preety much take away her only weakness that is not range(wich isnt a problem if the enemy cant see you)

Dingding1231 votes

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Couldn't the same thing be said about Vayne going by your own logic?

She's been literal junk status in every meta and only becomes strong for one pre season and it's already off with her head

Well technically Vanye West is never the reason dragons, herald and buffs disappear. Also she can get blown up.

Shyvana doesn't typically get blown up; she's the one usually blowing people up with AA resets. Also she has no lane to lose! You can't lose the jungle if you take literally every objective. She's consistently obnoxious.

Chembaron Yamada10 votes

Even if counter jungling is her thing, you can be too good at what you are doing. Shyvana seems a bit overturned since the rune updates in my opinion, especially thanks to her insane synergy with PTA. She just needs 2 AAs to proc it and then continues eating your face.

I think she could use a slight nerf.

DuskDaUmbreon4 votes

Actually, 3 autos in the space of almost one auto . It's not even the full delay between the two. It's auto>Q, which is an auto reset.

And then Titanic is another reset...Holy crap...

Chembaron Yamada1 votes

Exactly what I mean. She procs it almost instantly if she is in range. She benefited extremely from the update and therefore a nerf is justified in my opinion.

Troll for Trump3 votes

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Shyvana is finally viable after so long in the gutters. It is her time to shine.

Shyvana excels at counter-jungling. What she is weak in is her trash ganks. A Shyvana would rather farm and counter-jungle than to gank.

She hasn't been in the gutter that long. She's been strong since 7.22, and, even before that she had a >50% wr.

Fedoran2 votes

If aatrox could suddenly 1v5 in one patch I would call for nerfs.

It isnt about “time to shine,” its about game balance.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Shyvana can't 1v5. Where is high elo complaining about Shyvana?

Handin Out Naps4 votes

Almost every high elo player thinks shyv is too strong.

Thefrostyviking1 votes

But they don't mention her ability to 1v5 as the reason, what they do complain about is her dueling and counterjungling being very, very fast and hard to punish once again.

Still weak when dealing with CC and ganking generally.

Hügö6 votes

Did you try to help your j4 by warding the entrences of his jungle? I don't think so because then you could have collapsed as a team on the shyv.

YuGiHo6 votes

Thats what shyv has always done tho, she hits you over the head with a a bag of gold and a ton of stats

THE RlVER KlNG4 votes

Shyvana is actually broken. She was pick ban in all of my placements. Her ability to instantly proc PtA is absurd.

PowerSlave9933 votes

Yep I agree. Saw a lot of Shyvanas lately. Too much damage lol

RainbowIcee1 votes

i mean there's the ticket though you had a J4 jungle he's better at aggressive ganks than he is a clearing. There's some jungles who you don't want to go in on because they can fight and clear pretty quickly too. I just beat a shiv earlier with Skarner and i can beat Warwick too. Ofcourse the most important thing is team back up. If they have friends regardless of me beating them or not if they walk in as a group i gotta step out.

Slythion1 votes

That sounds less like a shyvana issue (because any clearing jungler can do that if allowed, like Udyr) and more of a J4 that got had a terrible matchup against someone way more skilled at jungling than him

LordGeovanni1 votes

PTA is overtuned as a rune

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