1.) Picking Eve/Shaco/etc. 2.) Contesting enemy buffs vs. Lee/Udyr/etc. at level 2~3 3.) Giving FB to them and their laners who - believe it or not - are closer to their own side of the jungle than friendly laners, particularly when you didn't let them know you were doing this in the first place via pings or any other form of communication, and 4.) Blaming your teammates for the loss and going AFK.
PSA from many salty ranked losses. Thank you.
from junglers to laners.
What the hells wrong with playing Eve, She IS definitely strong.
1- ppl play what they want? 2- Hmm...i think it will depend on which champion and if you're not alone 3- Now why would i give my own facebook to other people? I prefer Instagram anyway! 4- This is a double edged sword really. Sometimes it can be the team's fault but no excuse to afk though. Comebacks are always possible if you're lucky.
Honestly...
To Junglers:
I understand you want priority, but you gotta understand that there are champions out there that are inherently weak early game and dragging them from the lane to bail you out when you go trying to invade isn't going to help them out as they fall behind in Exp, CS, and Tower Health.
And to Laners:
You chose to lane. Its your job to win the lane or at least stalemate it while feeding as little as possible. Don't fucking bitch at the Jungler when you're in a position of being the lowest win chance for the team. This goes double if you're not watching/warding the jungle entrances for when your own jungle gets invaded by an aggressive enemy jungler.
I partly agree, partly disagree. In general, it's a bad idea to invade early, because even if your laners have priority and can theoretically help you, there's no guarantee that they will. This obviously varies by elo and champion choice. If your mid laner is a Katarina for example, you can't really expect them to assist you in an invade at level 2 they way a strong early laner like Jayce could. Knowing this, it is entirely the fault of the jungler if they invade poorly without accurately judging in advance what kind of assistance either side might or might not receive.
However, there ARE cases where it's entirely within reason to expect (though not outright demand) a laner help you out in an early invade given two conditions which I previously mentioned:
Early invades can be especially deadly in low elo because snowballing is much more potent if players don't know how to play from behind. If a weak jungler (read: weak player) gets set back in the early levels, it's almost impossible to come back into the game, and usually leads to them tilting and possibly afking. And if you're playing ranked seriously, why would you not use every tactic at your disposal to gain an advantage?
As to your champion examples, I don't see Eve winning many 1v1s in the early game against fighters like Udyr, Xin, Olaf, etc. Tank junglers maybe, but Eve is pretty weak pre-6 without items, so invades are risky.
Shaco on the other hand can pull off some nasty invades if you know what you're doing and path correctly. Most of the time you don't even have to fight, just smite their camp and Q away (and if you miss the smite, you can still just Q away without losing much). Shaco vs. Lee, contrary to popular belief, is actually a skill matchup rather than a strict counterpick. You can block his Q with your box, dodge it with your own Q, and cut his W healing with ignite (which basically all Shacos take over flash). It's highly unlikely that you will kill him early game simply because his mobility is stronger, but if he commits to a fight and doesn't smite your box, you win the all-in.
Long story short, it's dangerous to make blanket statements like "never invade early with X champ" because jungling requires you to consider so many different variables that you can really only judge these things on a game-by-game basis. The most you can do is offer general advice. It sounds to me like you just got stuck with a few bad junglers and generalized all of those situations to the game as a whole; an all-too-common mistake tbh.
Junglers will never stop doing risky stuff with this patch at least. Good luck with your request.
I just afk when they do this in ranked. No point in me playing with dogshit junglers
8 upvotes and 4 downvotes. Just goes to show why the boards are such a miserable place.
Junglers who invade are just brain dead, they expect you to follow them when you are lvl 1, when u do follow they mess everything up and type that you had priority when you where nowhere near having priority since at fkin lvl 1 you cannot have priority when they are invading since the wave is in the middle and the enemy laner is closer, just buffoons.
Dear laners, when playing with junglers who can snowball dramatically, try to contest scuttles when you have priority, It's a big help :)
Shaco and eve can beat lee level 3, so i dont know what to tell u lol
Junglers please
Do not dive my laners level 4, die and then flame me for not following you on your suicide mission.
Use your damn wards. I've had so many junglers crying about vision when having super low vision scores themselves.
If you gank my lane and you get a kill or even both kills. Don't take my fucking CS unless I ask for your help to push.
If you have a snowball oriented ADC like Vayne or Draven, please gank for them. Camping our Teemo top is not a win condition.
Don't invade champions like Lee Sin at level 2/3, die then flame your solo laners for your death wish.
Do not go Blue Kayn if the enemy has more than 1 tank.
Mid laner is not there to hold your hand. If your mid and top laners don't have lane priority and you decide to go for a invade or fight with the enemy jungler and lose, it is not the fault of your laners.
If I'm under my tower trying to CS a big wave thats crashing .... starting a Dragon play usually isn't a good idea.
Stop AFK farming on champions like Jarvan, Kayn and Rek'Sai... You're early game oriented or need to gank to hit a power spike (Kayn), you should be exerting pressure.
Understand that Jungle and Mid lane can pretty much decide a game. Better Jungler wins and Better Mid wins are super relevant this season.
Regards
Bot Lane.
Eve is one of the few viable AP junglers and you are saying not to pick her?
I mean, you're inting if you invade with such champions a Udyr in the early game LOL
