Concerns about the new changes for support items

Nymzo··1 votes·1,056 views

So first of all, I'm very happy to see that we get something new for supports since the few last patchs has been pure chaos down there at bot lane.

That being said, I have a few concerns about these changes.

Let's start with the big one: item 3301, I'll start with its new passif.

Ancient Coin’s existing passive - being near a minion when it dies - is pretty boring and offers nothing to build a quest around. So, we’re redesigning it. Nearby enemy minions occasionally drop coins when killed by anyone other than you, either restoring mana or granting gold on pick-up. (After one coin type has spawned, the next is guaranteed to be the other type.) Collect these coins to complete your quest.

Already I see a big problem, there's 2 situations when you should buy coin: when you play Soraka and sometimes Janna or when you face a heavy poke lane as a warden or disrupter. For the former, they are mostly passif which mean they don't walk up to minions very often which make the item worthless on them. As for the latter, I'm speaking of lanes such as Caitlyn and Zyra (aka cancer) when you can't even approach your minions without getting poke. But aside from these 2 situations, it will probably still be decent.

Ancient Coin line*: Gain an elixir that instantly grants a skill point when consumed (you still have a max of 18 skill points per game, meaning you’ll finish leveling your abilities at level 17). Takedowns on enemy champions grant gold and restore mana.

Nvm the 2 situations, what the fuck is that reward. If these changes go through, everyone and their mother will buy item 3301 (funny that reminds me of something but item 3107 I can't figure out item 3190 what). Being able to get a free skill point is so good, let alone extra gold and mana restoration on kills. However, I can see everyone selling the item after the reward.

Relic Shield line: Gain a shield that regenerates out of combat

Hey, Malphite and Rakan called, they want their passive back.

Joke aside, this is nice for warden since early game against poke lanes is fucking hell.

Spellthief’s Edge line: Tribute procs grant a burst of movement speed

Zyra Brand Malzahar Velkoz : Did someone said ''Spelltheif's buff''?

This is honestly the only problem that I can see if the changes go through, especially since most of them can apply the tribute extremely easily.

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Perma CC1 votes

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Nymzo1 votes
ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

Well, all three items got buffed.

Tbh, that's only good for coin if the gold and mana you get from the regular passive are good. The numbers are certainly able to get tuned around that item.

I think you're wrong that everyone will get coin. And if I'm not, well... they'll nerf it.

It also depends a LOT on how quickly these quests complete. A skill point is very powerful early in the game, but it won't be if you can't finish it until level 10 or 11. It's good, but the passives from the other items are, too.

Nymzo1 votes

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Tbh, that's only good for coin if the gold and mana you get from the regular passive are good. The numbers are certainly able to get tuned around that item.

Considaring the gold doesn't appear on every single minion, it will probably give as much as mana as a honeyfruit does, and the gold is probably 5 to 10 gold.

I think you're wrong that everyone will get coin. And if I'm not, well... they'll nerf it. It also depends a LOT on how quickly these quests complete. A skill point is very powerful early in the game, but it won't be if you can't finish it until level 10 or 11. It's good, but the passives from the other items are, too.

It depends of how long it takes to complete the quest yea. If you can do it very fast, then you can probably do another after coin.

I suspect a quest can be completed around level 7-10 if nothing goes wrong.

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

Yeah, and I doubt that it will be easy to do two quests. I have a hard time getting too many stacks on relic shield after laning phase. My teammates just don't cooperate well outside of the first 10 mins on that.

There's no harm in raising concerns, I suppose, but I'm not worried about it yet. I think we'll turn out okay as long as the numbers aren't crazy. Coin line needed something pretty crazy to get anyone to buy it; this is a nice thing for them. I wouldn't be opposed to it just giving a level of XP, straight up.

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