Not that I don;t like playing support (Support main) But the "fill" option has become a glorified support option. Could we please either have a cap on how many times you get the same role or add "Fill BUT x" option?
Say you have Fill as your primary, can we have an "exception" as a secondary?
Support's fun, but it would be more fun to play other roles too. :/
Cerebral Absence32 votesYeeeees!! I would love to qeue "fill except ADC" <3
RiotRiot Sotere80 votesYeeeees!! I would love to qeue "fill except ADC" <3
This is why I can't pick fill. MY ADC is significantly worse than all my other roles.
Photos of Ghosts4 votesI can't pick fill because I feel useless after 15 games in a row as support.
Jorencice10 votesDon't worry you will NEVER get adc as fill.
Think out of 50 times I've gotten support 40 times, top 8, mid 1, jungle 1.
Currently on 20 support games in a row as a Fill main.
RiotRiot Sotere18 votesI must be "lucky". I think I did support/fill three times and got top/mid/adc. Hehe, just did it as I was typing this post and got mid. Luck of the draw!
BetaDude4024 votesI swear, it seems like you get your secondary way more often than your primary...
Aeolian Melodies2 votesI swear, it seems like you get your secondary way more often than your primary...
well if you have very popular primary (such as mid) vs very unpopular secondary (support), then ofc
DarkRitual9 votesAs a support main, I must disagree.
cuddlykitten46 votesAs another support main, I must agree with his disagreement.
HayRoss3 votesHah, like support mains exist. Running around with Bigfoot and the Lochness Monster
DarkRitual2 votesNessy still owe's me $20. Learned her lesson not to challenge me at Pokemon.
Lord Azır3 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Sotere,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E6PmPplJ,comment-id=0002000000020000,timestamp=2016-03-06T22:11:03.396+0000)
I must be "lucky". I think I did support/fill three times and got top/mid/adc. Hehe, just did it as I was typing this post and got mid. Luck of the draw!
That is lucky, I queue up for Mid / Top and only get mid 25% of the time. I've been playing mid for years but now this Dynamic queue is forcing me to main top lane.
Karma Deified3 votesWe of the forums aren't blessed with high elo. Check your privilege.
Lucifer1 votesI've played about 400 games, and I get mid about 10% of the time if I put support anywhere in my preferences. I'd say at that point it's not luck of the draw, and it's just dynamic queue being poorly designed.
Sinister Anubis2 votesI've played about 400 games, and I get mid about 10% of the time if I put support anywhere in my preferences. I'd say at that point it's not luck of the draw, and it's just dynamic queue being poorly designed.
Truth of the matter is there is more players with the mentality that they think they need to carry to win and most people think support can not quote on quote carry because they arnt dealing tons of damage and getting kills. Supports are like magicians they do another of stuff like warding getting gold income through gold items or poking or sharing minions. They are play makers keeping carrys safe tanking his making the plays with engages disengages healing shielding and so on. But the majority of the community don't see it this way. Also the majority of the community is in low gold or lower. 95% of the players who are plat or higher know the value of a good support player and this is why you wont have issues in high elo with supports. The other people below that think they have to "carry" and they have to be the star of the show and get fat kills and so on.
BestTristMyHaus1 votes[{quoted}](name=Master Anubis,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E6PmPplJ,comment-id=000200000002000000060000,timestamp=2016-03-07T11:10:08.327+0000)
Truth of the matter is there is more players with the mentality that they think they need to carry to win and most people think support can not quote on quote carry because they arnt dealing tons of damage and getting kills. Supports are like magicians they do another of stuff like warding getting gold income through gold items or poking or sharing minions. They are play makers keeping carrys safe tanking his making the plays with engages disengages healing shielding and so on. But the majority of the community don't see it this way. Also the majority of the community is in low gold or lower. 95% of the players who are plat or higher know the value of a good support player and this is why you wont have issues in high elo with supports. The other people below that think they have to "carry" and they have to be the star of the show and get fat kills and so on.
I'd just point out that most of the people you're referencing apparently "aren't wrong". Go check ANY thread about "elo hell" or "how do I get out of Bronze" or really any discussion about "my team sucks" in ranked below Plat and the answer is "CARRY HARDER SKRUB". The sad fact is that this community is toxic as hell to anyone below Plat (and really, you can remove the "below Plat" part). But at least (from what I understand) in Plat and above TEAMS work together. I find it laughable that the REASON we can't score based on individual achievement but only on W/L is because League is a "team game" but the REASON you can't advance is because YOU can't carry hard enough. And then when people wonder why the hell people don't play support in large numbers is that the vast majority of the community of players is in these lower elos that need to "carry" in their "team" game.
CheftoniFTW2 votesI have begun my life as a support main mostly because people I play with have no idea how to play support to begin with. They start something stupid like Doran's Ring and then struggle to realize that you need gold to get stronger, denying yourself minions as well as gold falls you further behind than if you died a couple of times. Warding is also a nightmare when you're paired up with someone who has no grasp on the importance of the support role. I struggle to even call League a team game with how some of my games turn out. Here's a scenario, say you have an Ahri mid, sure, she has maybe 20 kills but she can't do shit to towers, then she starts flaming the rest of the team because they are behind. Sure, she roams, but she shares none of the gold because of the "carry hard" mentality. :/
I feel Riot's decision on making the game focus more on fights rather than objectives is hurting teamwork. (Thunderlord's for everyone!)
TacoTheKitten1 votes[deleted]
SociopathFriend2 votes
I must analyze why I was not mentioned.
doiminat0r36001 votesSupport meaning dedicated support. Not AP laners that you decided to go into support.
Dedicated Supports: 
(until recently where AP ali became a thing) 
etc.
Ap laners that riot/the community decided could be a support if they REALLY wanted to: 
warpenguin5552 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Sotere,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E6PmPplJ,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-03-06T20:50:27.141+0000)
This is why I can't pick fill. MY ADC is significantly worse than all my other roles.
Same. My adc is so bad that when I get it from Fill I just go Blucian
Shroom Junkie7 votesYes please! I hate playing either 2 different roles instead of 4, but I hate having to always go support if I pick fill.
Maratsune7 votes"Fill except jungle" Yeah, that'd be nice.
Virgin Ray6 votesFill except fill We're sorry, but the game has crashed, you will now log off. Please restart your client and send a report ticket to us!
Sohleks4 votesWe need this. And more stuff like this.
Flexibility like this can only help the queue times... Please...
" But now you can queue for every role while excluding support!" ... These people aren't queue'ing for support anyway...
Elisza Kitsune3 votesI love picking fill but I almost always supp and it gets boring after like 20 or so supp matches :/
Joe Mana3 votes[deleted]
The Rewritten9 votesI say this logic is flawed. At this point, everyone who is sick of filling and getting support 95% of the time have already switched to only choosing their top two roles (including me).
The inclusion of this system will give matchmaking more options when creating teams. The people who are okay with playing everything except mid, or everything except jungle will have the option to do so (rather than only choosing adc/top).
OneSmoothDude3 votesYep, precisely. People who select "Fill Except for Support" when/if this gets implemented aren't even choosing Support now, so nothing is lost. Only gained.
As it is now, people who don't like a certain role must queue up for two, to be sure that they don't end up with that role. With this proposal, these people could all queue up for four roles, which gives matchmaking an easier time for everybody.
I honestly haven't heard one single counteragrument to this, other than the fact it would take time to make.
Photos of Ghosts5 votesI already left fill because it meant 100% support chance, with a 0,25s queue time.
warpenguin5553 votesYes please. I don't care what I play some times but I know what I don't want to play(adc most of the time) I want this
RIPxMidnight3 votesI'd love to see an option for an optional second secondary. Sometimes it feels like a waste to only be able to queue for two spots.
EcchiOtakuTM3 votesYes that would make it MUCH better.
Goosetard3 votesI think you should select at least two roles in the order in which you'd prefer them. There's a box to click to weight all your choices equally. Simple straightforward, avoids all these shenanigans.
Blue Moon Wolf3 votesI think riot should try and make the support role more desireable somehow. From the sounds of things, support might not get worked on for another year or 2, but at the very least they should make some tweaks here and there to get people more interested in picking support as their first choice, that way there is less chance you WILL be support if you pick fill.
Either way, a "fill with exceptions" is really needed. Most people have one or 2 roles they don't play well and it would be nice that they don't end up in a situation where they are forced to play that role and practically give the enemy a handicap.
CheftoniFTW2 votesI totally agree with you, every season something is given to supports to make it more interesting, some other lanes start taking it then it gets nerfed leading to less people wanting to play support. Hell, my main argument for how Riot seems to hate the support role is Soraka. I mained her in mid-lane and she was super fun! Not broken, but fun! Then Riot's like "Nah man, we need these wannabe fun-havers to know their place!"
Just wait for the Frost Queen's Claim to get a nerf. :/
KyroRayne3 votesIf I have support listed as anything..... well, I get support. If I get my primary role, someone dodges. Seriously, I haven't played Jungle ONCE when I've used Jungle/Support as my two roles. I've gotten queue'd into a team as Jungle, and then had someone dodge or not pick, AND THEN when I get dropped into another team, I'm a support.
Not that I don't like playing support, I JUST WANT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE AFTER BEING SUPPORT FOR 10 GAMES IN A ROW WITHOUT HAVING TO CHANGE MY ROLES!
I'm still trying to figure out what's going on this season. I steam rolled from Gold V to Gold II, and then have just been beaten back down to barely Gold III. It's either, my team just obliterates the enemy team or my team gets obliterated. There are very few middle ground games anymore where it can swing both ways. Any big mistake past 25 minutes can end the game now. I miss the games that went 45+ minutes because both teams were evenly matched.
Miss Luxanna1 votesI mean, if you put fill as secondary, the system will find the fastest lobby with an empty role. (Don't quote me on that, it just makes sense.) If that open role is support then, you get support.
OneSmoothDude3 votesRight. But just because that's how it is, doesn't mean that's how it should be.
What OP suggests would provide options for players and faster matchmaking for all. I haven't heard any single worthy counterpoint.
Sinister Anubis1 votesNot that I don;t like playing support (Support main) But the "fill" option has become a glorified support option. Could we please either have a cap on how many times you get the same role or add "Fill BUT x" option?
Say you have Fill as your primary, can we have an "exception" as a secondary?
Support's fun, but it would be more fun to play other roles too. :/
how about que up for other roles that does not list support dont ever use the fill button
The Ecdysiast3 votesSome people can actually play the four other roles, aside from support.
Being limited to 2 actually makes the queue time longer than it would be otherwise.
Sinister Anubis1 votesSome people can actually play the four other roles, aside from support.
Being limited to 2 actually makes the queue time longer than it would be otherwise.
I have no problems que'ing up with 2 roles. And yes i can play all 5 roles i been here since season 1. This is something so small so trivial it shouldn't even be a issue. So que up for different roles and que times are like legit not a problem at all. You are talking about millions of people playing at all hours of the day. Unless you are challenger and then you then you just have to wait not to mention there is plenty of support mains in master teir
The Ecdysiast1 votesUm. Exactly.
If it won't make things worse, then they have no reason for NOT including this function.
Sinister Anubis1 votesUm. Exactly.
If it won't make things worse, then they have no reason for NOT including this function.
yes it will. Do you even know how hard it is to encode something like this? Its extremely hard. Also i think you miss my point. This entire topic is about something so minor so insignificant that it doesn't even matter. There is already enough CHOICES in the dynamic/draft que for you to work around this. You are complaining about nothing at all. Thats how small this is.
Poske2 votes[{quoted}](name=Master Anubis,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E6PmPplJ,comment-id=00180000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-07T09:28:19.013+0000)
yes it will. Do you even know how hard it is to encode something like this? Its extremely hard. Also i think you miss my point. This entire topic is about something so minor so insignificant that it doesn't even matter. There is already enough CHOICES in the dynamic/draft que for you to work around this. You are complaining about nothing at all. Thats how small this is.
I want to be able to play all 4 roles except support
There is nothing wrong with this suggestion
I DONT GIVE A FK HOW CARD TO ENCODE IS THEY ARE MILIONERS
Sinister Anubis1 votes[{quoted}](name=Sub HeroCro,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E6PmPplJ,comment-id=001800000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-07T10:58:16.177+0000)
I want to be able to play all 4 roles except support
There is nothing wrong with this suggestion
I DONT GIVE A FK HOW CARD TO ENCODE IS THEY ARE MILIONERS
Now you sound like a whiny baby. If you want to play all four roles rotate your picks each game. Not hard at all. But if you think coding is easy how bout you make your own game and stop complaining about trivial shit on these boards?
Poske1 votes[{quoted}](name=Master Anubis,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E6PmPplJ,comment-id=0018000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-07T11:04:43.850+0000)
Now you sound like a whiny baby. If you want to play all four roles rotate your picks each game. Not hard at all. But if you think coding is easy how bout you make your own game and stop complaining about trivial shit on these boards?
It gotta be hard to code...
Instead of 2 options you make it so that we can have 2+ options and you just call 5 options maximun fill WOW MUCH HARD TO ENCODE SUCH WOW
I am complaining about everything which can be improved sorry but dynamic queve has so many flaws...
Sinister Anubis1 votes[{quoted}](name=Sub HeroCro,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E6PmPplJ,comment-id=00180000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-07T20:32:15.982+0000)
It gotta be hard to code...
Instead of 2 options you make it so that we can have 2+ options and you just call 5 options maximun fill WOW MUCH HARD TO ENCODE SUCH WOW
I am complaining about everything which can be improved sorry but dynamic queve has so many flaws...
Dynamic que is fine just the way it is. The only flaw here is your attitude and your expectations on what you think a company should do. As i told yuou before and this will be my last time replying to you because its like talking to a wall (A very thick wall) is if you want to play other roles select them. Do not select fill or support. Like one game select top/mid next game select bot/jungle. Problem solved. Dynamic que is fine and no one is forcing you to only play 2 roles. You are clearly allowed to rotate your roles EVERY time you hit the que button. No issue at all. you are nit picking and asking people to do more work on something stupidly small, something so small and so trivial that it will not happen there is way more things riot needs to spend time and money on then your tiny little problem so you say. As i said just rotate your roles each and every game. Enough said stop complaining.
Poske2 votes[{quoted}](name=Master Anubis,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E6PmPplJ,comment-id=001800000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-07T23:35:50.200+0000)
Dynamic que is fine just the way it is. The only flaw here is your attitude and your expectations on what you think a company should do. As i told yuou before and this will be my last time replying to you because its like talking to a wall (A very thick wall) is if you want to play other roles select them. Do not select fill or support. Like one game select top/mid next game select bot/jungle. Problem solved. Dynamic que is fine and no one is forcing you to only play 2 roles. You are clearly allowed to rotate your roles EVERY time you hit the que button. No issue at all. you are nit picking and asking people to do more work on something stupidly small, something so small and so trivial that it will not happen there is way more things riot needs to spend time and money on then your tiny little problem so you say. As i said just rotate your roles each and every game. Enough said stop complaining.
Rotating is not a problem speed is
Curently I am waiting 15 minutes in dynamic queve so yeah there are clearly some problems...
If we had posibilities to select more then 2 roles it would be significantly lower because for example I can play 4 roles at insane level and there are multiple people who can play more then 2 role
So basicly Op suggestion is to lower queve times in a smart way? Any time spent on this is worth it