and you're toxic af, please do everyone a favor and uninstall the game forever. The smurfs I met were obvious by their names because the word smurf was cleverly included in it. I'm not saying every smurf is toxic and verbally abuses their genuine newbie teammates but in all honesty if you're smurfing you shouldn't expect your teammates to be playing at a ranked-level caliber, especially if you're still a low level.
Deep Terror Nami25 votesSmurfing Pikachu sounded like a friendly fellow.
Didn't know Pikachu could be taught Flamethrower and Toxic.
NineTailedMystic2 votesWell, almost any pokemon can be taught Toxic.
BeatzBoyFTW2 votesAnd I just realized that the sky is blue. What are the odds??
Nucleophilic atk3 votesAs a former Pokemon fan (still kind of..but don't really play the gameboy no more), you are completely wrong.
Leetri3 votesWell virtually all pokemon can learn Toxic. There's only 14 out of 721 that can't learn it, but those 14 can't learn any TM at all. Technically it's only 13, as Smeargle can Sketch the move and learn it. :P
NineTailedMystic1 votesHow so? There are a few special cases but as Leetri said, virtually all pokemon can learn it.
Nucleophilic atk1 votesYes, VIRTUALLY all can. This does not mean that ALL can. You originally had "any" in your statement, as seen by people quoting you.
Just because most can, does not mean all can. So you were completely wrong. Changing your statement to "almost any" does make your statement correct (or at least an opinion since "almost any" is debatable, but not going there lol), but that really doesn't matter since you changed it after I had commented on it. To be honest, I'm not sure why you are replying with this comment when you did not say "virtually all". It's like....that's not what you said lol.
PandahHeart1 votesWell, any pokemon can be taught Toxic.
Actually, Unown, Wobbuffet, Wynaut, Kricketot, Burmy, Tynamo, and Spewpa cannot learn Toxic by means of levling up or by TM. So not all pokemon can learn toxic.
Dwaboutit1 votesi tought my typlosion surf.
a fire pokemon.
surf
urf.
NineTailedMystic1 votesusing the 7 pokemon you listed, 7 out of 721 pokemon can't learn Toxic via TM or leveling. 0.97% of pokemon cannot learn it. I suppose I should have learned by now to be more specific.
PandahHeart1 votesusing the 7 pokemon you listed, 7 out of 721 pokemon can't learn Toxic via TM or leveling. 0.97% of pokemon cannot learn it. I suppose I should have learned by now to be more specific.
Lol it was a fun fact for me. I thought they could all learn Toxic but the more you know.
NineTailedMystic1 votesIt is, just thought you were criticizing me like the other guy.
Deep Terror Nami3 votesI hijacked this dude's thread with Pokemon lol :3
Sinister Snail4 votesIt drives me insane when smurfs flame their teammates. Yeah, they suck dick at league, isn't that the entire reason you made a smurf? To play with sub-bronzes? What, you were expecting only the OTHER team to have bad players, and you'd be with Diamond smurfs? How is that even fun? How does that help you get better at league?
The only reason people should smurf is when they're getting a friend into the game, and they don't want to get them matched against people who would just crush the new player. Other than that, it's just really dickish and pointless.
FedAsFuk2 votesFor me I smurf for fun, I hate the leveling, but i enjoy seeing what I can get a fresh account to.
FearEngineer1 votesNo. You're just an asshole. There's no more depth to it. Got a snap of you dunking lol
Worst Mid Ever3 votesfrom a smurfers pov, people in low elo dont listen to advice and cant follow your decision making processes, also they tend to not understand or care what is happening in the game outside of their lane and their teammates KDA
that said if youre smurfing there is no reason not to mute anyone because nothing you say will be heard and you dont need to communicate to carry, i find it more toxic when a smurf abuses the enemy team for mistakes and spams GG EZ at the end of every game
Red Frostraven2 votes[{quoted}](name=Worst Mid Ever,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E4EN71zy,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-04-12T06:51:06.309+0000)
from a smurfers pov, people in low elo dont listen to advice and cant follow your decision making processes, also they tend to not understand or care what is happening in the game outside of their lane and their teammates KDA
that said if youre smurfing there is no reason not to mute anyone because nothing you say will be heard and you dont need to communicate to carry, i find it more toxic when a smurf abuses the enemy team for mistakes and spams GG EZ at the end of every game
This is true.
From a new player's point of view, just learning to handle the lane opponent you've never faced before, while not dying to the jungler or other guys that come up to the lane to push, dealing with random stuff while your teammates push the empty lanes, and planning what items you're going to pick for this game versus the enemy team composition, is more than enough to handle for the first 10-15 minutes of the game.
The general strategy is: Try to down your opponents towers until level 10+, before trying to help others, in order to not lose your own towers or die to an assassin lurking in a bush.
Especially in URF.
Opponent's I've NEVER faced in 1 on 1 or 2 on 2 in lane, after playing over 100 games of PvP:
Anivia, Azir, Braum, Elise, Gnar, Irelia, Jarvan IV, Kalista, (Lissandra), Nami, Nocturne, Olaf, Orianna, Poppy, Sion, Skarner, Syndra, Talon, Vel'Koz, Vladimir, Volibear, Zac, Zilean... and then, there's probably some more male characters that I've not listed because they have generic appearances too similar to other male champions (Assassins Creed-like male characters and Gears of War-like male characters).
and yesterday was the first time I met Ezreal in lane 1 vs 1. He was summoner level 30 -- playing with teammates levels 10-15, versus me and my team at levels 10-18.
FearEngineer4 votesYou're so cool.
Worst Mid Ever1 votesthere is no physical advantage in a MOBA, everything is based on your knowledge and experience, and the decisions you make because of those, therefore it can be taught
Zinju1 votesReaction time and reflexes can't be taught.
FearEngineer2 votesNot only is Hades right- you still can't manage to put together a logical thought. Knowledge doesn't require you to experience losing horribly firsthand as your primary learning tool...
Zinju1 votesI agree. Majority of the players won't take advice and are hostile. "Try ... so we can win the game" and get "Fuck off ..." and if you mention you're a smurf, and the game isn't going your way by the 10-15 min mark, you get flamed. People pick Vayne/Ryze and are upset they didn't win early game... They lack understanding.
Karlyr3 votesCorrection...
"PSA: If you're a regular player and you're toxic af, please do everyone a favor and uninstall the game forever."
TenSlashTen3 votesgets to gold* makes a new account* "i'm a smurf" thats this generation of low elo smurfs for you. Bunch of laughs they are. Rest of us are diamond+ who decided to reroll our MMR for the sake of it maybe being better on our other account on same server.
Sarutobi2 votesNever understood this type of mentality. I understand you need to level up a smurf account, but if thats the case why harass others whom are possible new to the game because you understand the game so well while others are still learning? Just doesnt make any sense to me, let alone smurfing. Is there something wrong with playing on your regular account? Or does one enjoy the game better when going against obvious new players?
Biffolo1 votesNever understood this type of mentality. I understand you need to level up a smurf account, but if thats the case why harass others whom are possible new to the game because you understand the game so well while others are still learning? Just doesnt make any sense to me, let alone smurfing. Is there something wrong with playing on your regular account? Or does one enjoy the game better when going against obvious new players?
There is a reason for smurfs though. Sometimes its better to have an acc with a tanked mmr, so when you play with friends in 5s or normals or whatever have you. You dont put your silver 5 friend laning vs a diamond 1 laner.
Trash MammaI2 votesSmurf: Wtf, why aren't you noobs in silver playing like Plats?!?!?
Others: Cause we AREN'T plats?
Smurf: SINCE FKING WHEN?!?!
Others: _ You fukin srs m8
A Miss Fortune2 votesMy sister who started playing the game recently has ran into a lot of toxic smurf players or those getting frustrated because she doesn't know how to perfectly split push top lane as an ADC main who likes to stick to bot and mid throughout the game for example. They should be surprised a level 8 even knows what split pushing is.
Smurfs should give constructive criticism in a nice tone and not expect every other low level to be Diamond smurfs.
FedAsFuk1 votesThe extreme of that is I have tried to FRIENDLY give tips, explain why an item is poor for this situation/champ and actually have a smurf chat restricted because of reports. I am not saying smurfs can't be assholes, just that alot of people can't take any criticism and just asusme "He is an ass, report"
A Miss Fortune1 votesI think this goes for a lot of people not just low level players too unfortunately. For example I tried to tell an AP Sona in ARAM who was obviously level 30 to build Lich Bane and stomp the game, but they ended up reporting me for harassment when I commented on her being like 1/6 and refusing to build a Lich Bane. I mean it's ARAM where you're suppose to have fun but still, feeding on an extremely strong champion isn't really fun for anyone on that person's team.
I can totally agree with you that people, who aren't just smurfs can totally be toxic and take too much offence when someone gives advice.
Plays Sona mid, better build every AP item except Lich Bane.
FedAsFuk1 votesYeah I have given advice in mid gold/plat and had people get pissy over it. It almost doesn't matter how nicely you deliver it, people generally don't take criticism.
Zinju1 votesAnd toxic players, who aren't smurfing shouldn't uninstall? Smh.
Deep Terror Nami2 votesThose people may have to suffer the consequences of their actions, made worse by losing all the progress they've made or money they spent. Smurfs, however, don't usually care about any of that because less work and no money are put into them.
Nobody is denying main account toxicity isn't a problem, just that Smurfs are worse.
arcinex5 votes[{quoted}](name=Valkyrie Witch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E4EN71zy,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-04-12T06:46:10.988+0000)
Those people may have to suffer the consequences of their actions, made worse by losing all the progress they've made or money they spent. Smurfs, however, don't usually care about any of that because less work and no money are put into them.
Nobody is denying main account toxicity isn't a problem, just that Smurfs are worse.
Toxic smurfs are breeding toxic newbies.
Zinju1 votesYou're either a good person or a bad person. One person in a 30 minute game does not change who you are. But don't feel bad, it's human nature to have a scapegoat.
Zinju1 votesExcept, Riot can universally ban someone's IP, banning all their accounts. So yes, what you do on smurfs does matter. Also no offense, but you don't get to make a generalization about a group of people. It's like me calling all low elo people toxic _(Roughly 80% of league players are silver/bronze, aka low elo), _and believe me, I have met a lot of toxic elo players **but **I have also met positive players.
DeloricVI1 votesI've been saying this for a while. Smurfs are ok if you have them in moderation. They can introduce higher level tactics to lower level players. Unfortunately they're way too common, as lower level games hinge on who has the better Smurfs, or who has more Smurfs. It's a problem, but completely obliterating smurfs is not a good thing.
FearEngineer3 votesTotally man we need this to teach people.
DeloricVI2 votesI'm not sure why you don't see it; lower level players do all kinds of stupid stuff. If you haven't noticed, Riot's tutorials are completely bare-bones. They just tell you the controls. They don't tell you about how when you push your lane to tower all the time it leaves you open to roams and ganks. It doesn't tell you that warding is important. There's so much you have to learn on your own, and higher level players can definitely keep the noob's heads in check. But this kind of thing should only happen a few games out of 10. Not every game, not every other game, but they do serve a purpose.
I know a friend of mine that picked up all kinds of tips before he was even level 8. He saw some guy walking all around instead of just standing still and last hitting, so he tried it and his opponents missed more skill shots. He saw the guy push his tower in mid and then go down to bot and attack his adc, so he tried it and it worked. He got better because he looked at that game he lost to that roaming LeBlanc, and learned from it. Yeah the skill gap is huge, but that means there is more that the lower level player can learn.
FearEngineer2 votesYou're totally right. You have to have a boxer punch you in the face to truly understand how to be a good boxer.
EDIT: You should really bring this up in a self-defense course, I think people would really benefit from having the shit kicked out of them. Like you said, it's definitely necessary and the best way to learn.
DeloricVI1 votesNever said it was the best way to learn something. I'm just saying smurfs are an inevitability, no matter how big of a restriction you put on them. There's no way to definitively eliminate smurfs from the game. However, I'm trying to show how they can be a good thing. A lot of problems with smurfs against newer players is that newer players don't know what smurfs even are, so when they lose they don't know that he was just using techniques from higher levels of play. That friend I mentioned? I let him know that smurfs were out there before he began. When he spotted someone that was clearly better than everyone else, instead of getting mad like many people would, presuming that he was just awful and should stop playing, he actually learned something.
To put it in the terms of your analogy, there will always be good boxers, and if you happen to get into a fight with one, they're going to punch you in the face. A lot. And very hard. But knowing that they're better than you because they've been doing this for a while, you might pick up a few tips on why he's a good boxer and you aren't.
Nucleophilic atk1 votesYou need to learn when to use commas.
FedAsFuk1 votesSadly this is true of those players on their mains, example this is one of 4 smurfs I have, and for the most part I rarely talk in game, if I do it is usually in nomrals where people are more inclined to ask for advice. This is the same on my main, honestly I see the chat as a double edged sword, it will clear up some things (Bait baorn instead of start it for example) but also can easily piss off your entire team, so saying anything besides what needs to be done is not something I do, or anyone I know for that matter. I am currently leveling another smurf with a friend and I cannot think of the last time we just interacted with people, maybe if they joke around we might as well.
This has become a rant, I meant it purely to show it isn't the "smurfs" it is just assholes being assholes.
FearEngineer1 votesOh yeah you're right. Those damn beginner players, why don't they love you...