Vayne, The Unhealthiest Marksman

Möral Support··3 votes·791 views

First I can tell all of the Vayne mains will scream at me and say "She REQUIRES a lot of skill." She does not. If late game reaches you are officially the most broken champion in league of legends.

Here is why she is unhealthy:

  • She can 3 shot another marksman. (Regardless who they are.)
  • She can kill hyper tanks with ease. (Less than 15 shots to fully devastate them.)
  • She has a laning phase where it is easy to farm. (Hitting a creep and then pressing q is not hard.)
  • Her mana costs are SUPER low. (Tumble is spammable.)
  • Even when behind, she is very useful.
  • If paired with a safe support she has an easy time in lane. (Thresh lantern for ganks, soraka e for ganks, etc)
  • A stealth. (Why would a Marksman need a stealth.)
  • A 50+ AD boost. (They are meant to be built into devastators, not given the ability to.) [Level 16]
  • Free harass that is easy to land in lane. (One Auto Attack > Tumble Auto > Condemn.)
  • If you have a banshee's veil, you are unkillable late game. (No cc is able to immediately stop you and the remainder of your team has enough time to get close enough to protect you.)
  • A Speed boost for chasing (Ever hear of a term, over-committing? Doesn't exist with Vayne. She can chase you down so she doesn't have to over commit.)
  • A True Damage % MAX hp proc (This is broken in itself. You don't need ANY attack damage items and you'll be more useful than someone who has actualy items. FOR INSTANCE: A Lucian with an Infinity Edge does less damage than a Vayne with 3 Daggers. [Same Runes] Why 3 auto attacks? If it required skill it would be 5.)

Arguments Against Myself:

  • Twitch also gains an attack damage buff, but he is incredibly less mobile.
  • Focusing her in teamfights will kill her. Not if the other team has a brain.
  • She can't 3 shot another Marksman. Watch Vayne 1v5 Pentakills.
  • Her stealthy doesn't last that long! Oh yes it does. Its enough time for her to move 400 units AND be able to flash away DURING the stealth. Its not a balanced skill.
  • Pop her banshee's veil before the fight. She will back off with her team until it is back up.
  • Camp her in lane. It doesn't work if she has a support that can disengage. (ALL OF THEM CAN)
  • Other carries can kill other carries with ease late game. Name one please. (Yes Cait CAN but she needs stacks of her passive this is without the passive stacks.)
  • Other carries have stealths too! Sure some have stealth ability (Twitch) but his immobility makes up for it. Vayne is able to tumble and condemn Twitch can only slow, also it can be delayed for 7 seconds, vayne's cannot.
  • Buy a pinkward. You can but when late game rolls around and her ults gives her more than 50 ad, the stealthy does not matter. By reaching level 16 she gains enough attack damage to destroy anyone without items.

I understand this is a rant and please do not fight in the comments. I don't wish to see anyone get banned from the forums. [I think the easiest way to fix Vayne is to make her Silver Bolts do % Current Hp, not max.]

Make Her Healthy Please. Vayne

15 Comments

Fiveofswords3 votes

everything you said is false

Sukishoo2 votes

cannot upvote this enough.

Mister Mackey3 votes

Just remember quinn can easily 1v1 vayne

Möral Support1 votes

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Just remember quinn can easily 1v1 vayne

you got me there

insaiyanbacca2 votes

Other carries can kill other carries with ease late game. Name one please. (Yes Cait CAN but she needs stacks of her passive this is without the passive stacks.)

only one that i felt needed to be answered because i do think vayne is unhealthy, but the answera here are draven and graves

Möral Support1 votes

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only one that i felt needed to be answered because i do think vayne is unhealthy, but the answera here are draven and graves

I admit I forgot draven but if graves is behind he is utterly unable to 3 shot another adc

Archon X1 votes

"- She can kill hyper tanks with ease. (Less than 15 shots to fully devastate them.)"

Bro if you take 15 shots from a marksman in a fight you deserve to die regardless of who it is.

Möral Support1 votes

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"- She can kill hyper tanks with ease. (Less than 15 shots to fully devastate them.)"

Bro if you take 15 shots from a marksman in a fight you deserve to die regardless of who it is.

Alistar? If you can kill an ulted alistar in 15 shots you're broken.

ScriptBrand1 votes

yea is that why your only game with her you went 4/11 and never played her again? idgaf that ur mid main you sure as hell play other adc's more than her so quit qqing until you can exhibit what you're whining about yourself.

Bastard Chief1 votes

He sucks LOL, he's making threads for those upvotes, he just made another one. A typical thread calling Riven, Kalista, Vayne, Fizz, Darius, Garen, and others OP.

If Vayne was that OP, he would have went 11/4 and not go negative. That's the thing... If these champions were so damn broken, you'd NEVER EVER GO NEGATIVE, no matter how bad you are. I know in MMO games I play, Aion, and others, for example when the Gunslinger came out, it was so damn strong, even the most retarded of retards that weren't good could wreck you by just button smashing blind folded in their momma's basement. In League, I have never seen that, it seems there is a balance, but it I think honestly it has to do with growing a pair of balls in this community. It's a community that's so soft, you say "GG EZ" you get banned. You say anything slightly negative, you get reported. So it's to no surprise when someone loses, they can't take it, and have to cry OP. ALSO there seems to be a mismatch here on LoL. I

The guy's OP,GG KDA is below average too, meaning he loses to almost anyone.

Fiveofswords1 votes

-can 3 shot another marksman....they all can. a lvl 18 mf with full build can 1 shot a lvl 1 vayne. with equal stuff vayne takes the same number of shots as all the other adc -less that 15 shots to kill a tank? bro....try kog maw. its like 3 shots. nothing impressive at all about < 15 lol. do you ever reach late game as adc? -i actually find it easy to farm with any adc...especially if the opponent adc is vayne lol. so vayne can tumble to get 2 quick shots? whats special about that? mf can do that also, but better.how bout cait using her q to actually CLEAR a whole friggen minion wave -mana costs? you are an adc. if you care that much about mana costs then play a mage. almost none of the adc really struggle with mana. -useful when behind? totally wrong dude. but yeah i love how popular support vayne is. ashe on the other hand... -thresh isnt even a very safe support to have. what do you know about supports and their synergy with vayne? -marksmen dont need stealth...there arent many that have stealth. so what? the only thing marksmen really (to actually be marksmen) need is range. oh isnt that interesting...twitch has pretty good range. -if you think some random 50 ad boost is enough to make such a difference you are very mistaken. but if you think so, maybe you shoudl try support janna. -free harrass? i think you need to learn some basics about lane harass. autoattacks aggro minions. thats why most adc harass with abilities, liek cait with her q. and cait couldve hit vayne twice before vayne even managed her first autoattack in lane. if i said nasus could harrass lux in lane with his q...would you notice anything odd about that? -oh sure...vayne is immortal with banshee veil lol. i dont even need to respond to that. if its that impotant then obviously take cleanse as summoner spell. dont need bv. -as if vayne is the only champ (or only adc) that is capable of chasing... -lucian with ie does a lot mroe damage than vayne with 3 daggers. a lot.

Möral Support1 votes

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-can 3 shot another marksman....they all can. a lvl 18 mf with full build can 1 shot a lvl 1 vayne. with equal stuff vayne takes the same number of shots as all the other adc -less that 15 shots to kill a tank? bro....try kog maw. its like 3 shots. nothing impressive at all about < 15 lol. do you ever reach late game as adc? -i actually find it easy to farm with any adc...especially if the opponent adc is vayne lol. so vayne can tumble to get 2 quick shots? whats special about that? mf can do that also, but better.how bout cait using her q to actually CLEAR a whole friggen minion wave -mana costs? you are an adc. if you care that much about mana costs then play a mage. almost none of the adc really struggle with mana. -useful when behind? totally wrong dude. but yeah i love how popular support vayne is. ashe on the other hand... -thresh isnt even a very safe support to have. what do you know about supports and their synergy with vayne? -marksmen dont need stealth...there arent many that have stealth. so what? -if you think some random 50 ad boost is enough to make such a difference you are very mistaken. but if you think so, maybe you shoudl try support janna. -free harrass? i think you need to learn some basics about lane harass. autoattacks aggro minions. thats why most adc harass with abilities, liek cait with her q. and cait couldve hit vayne twice before vayne even managed her first autoattack in lane. if i said nasus could harrass lux in lane with his q...would you notice anything odd about that? -oh sure...vayne is immortal with banshee veil lol. i dont even need to respond to that. if its that impotant then obviously take cleanse as summoner spell. dont need bv. -as if vayne is the only champ (or only adc) that is capable of chasing... -lucian with ie does a lot mroe damage than vayne with 3 daggers. a lot.

You're not playing at a high enough elo to understand mechanics. Kog is able to shred the hp of tanks when he is full build vayne can do it level 9.

And anyone can one shot someone at level 1 if they are level 18. Try hitting a late game full build. You will not 3 shot vayne. Lucian with an i.e. ONLY late game does less damage than a vayne with 4 daggers. Don't believe me? Test it. Use no crit runes and just full attack damage runes. Lucian will crit 1/4 vayne will deal 300 every third auto attack.

Bastard Chief1 votes

. Before I even look at your OP.GG, I bet your KDA is bad and under average and you perform at least 5 or less kills a game... Now let me go check.

ok, I was wrong, you're KDA is 8.7 / 8.3 / 8.7 not bad, but not good. You're average. Now let me look at your last match.. Oh to no surprise, you played a Vayne in the last match it seems who went 20+ kills. Now you're gonna cry OP cause you got that little ass spanked. It's ok special guy, do you want a ice cream now?

Someone on the team fed Vayne and got out performed by a better player, thus Vayne being fed, thus vayne racking up so many kills cause they were fed.

Again, never had a problem with this champion as like any other champion in the game. Oh and by the way, league is a team game.

Möral Support1 votes

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You're a retard dude. Straight up retard. Before I even look at your OP.GG, I bet your KDA is bad and under average and you perform at least 5 or less kills a game... Now let me go check.

ok, I was wrong, you're KDA is 8.7 / 8.3 / 8.7 not bad, but not good. You're average. Now let me look at your last match.. Oh to no surprise, you played a Vayne in the last match it seems who went 20+ kills. Now you're gonna cry OP cause you got that little ass spanked. It's ok special guy, do you want a ice cream now?

Someone on the team fed Vayne and got out performed by a better player, thus Vayne being fed, thus vayne racking up so many kills cause they were fed.

Again, never had a problem with this champion as like any other champion in the game. Oh and by the way, league is a team game.

First you weren't in the game to know what happened. Vayne was shut down early and she came back from down 4 in lane. Second your name and word choice is bannable in today's league so have fun with that.

yonggon1 votes

As a Teemo main when I APC people cry when I blind their vayne and do 1/3 of her health with one q early game and half health her with 1 auto attack and Q due to lack of MR winning all trades in laning phase and a high chance of getting fed with a thresh or blitzcrank and also if she is not fed and I'm ahead in CS I can two shot her with a Q and auto attack mid or late game with lack of MR if I get 3 items

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