Conqueror Should be Adaptive

Frosted Tips·Aug 23, 2018·14 votes·7,344 views

So the new runes were implemented so anyone could take any rune. Riot had the idea that runes are more focused on a play style and less on specific champions so Riot creates runes reformed. This was meant to allow anyone to use any rune they wanted. They accomplished this by giving every rune a hybrid scaling or giving it adaptive damage. But, when they added Conqueror it seems they forgot give this rune any adaptive ability. The rune only gives bonus AD when activated and will never give bonus AP.

So my question to you is why? Why does Conqueror only give bonus AD?

IMO Riot should give it bonus AP and maybe some AP fighters would arise from this change, or better yet some new playstyles for champion. I think some champion that could use it would be and

Lastly, do you guys believe it could be a good addition to the game?

60 Comments

HéntaiSénpaiAug 23, 201812 votes

I think Conquerer should just be removed. It's unhealthy for the game. 20% True damage and up to 35 AD is like getting a Free item. When other Keystone's are like getting a Free portion of an item.

Frosted TipsAug 23, 20181 votes

I mean with those numbers it seems like it is a partial version of item 3031

HéntaiSénpaiAug 23, 20181 votes

1/2 AD but twice the true damage. And people who build item 3031 and run Conquerer do 30% true damage

Rathar DashingAug 23, 20182 votes

*28%

Frosted TipsAug 23, 20182 votes

Just saying also no double crit chance either.

SugeMinPikkAug 24, 20182 votes

For the most part, percents are not additive in this game. So 20% gets converted to true damage through conq. Then 10% of the remaining 80% gets converted to true damage through IE.

Also, Randuin's works for IE. So against someone with both conq and IE, Randuin's is technically 80% effective.

GodlyBaneAug 23, 20182 votes

because lets put bruisers back into the shitter, im not even a top lane player and know this will be bad, bruisers will just be troll picks again, we dont want that now do we

HéntaiSénpaiAug 23, 20182 votes

I don't have a problem with the Keystone, but it's WAY over tuned for being a Keystone. 10% True damage would be acceptable and 1-20 (based on level) AD

Frosted TipsAug 23, 20182 votes

One or the other not both

HéntaiSénpaiAug 23, 20183 votes

Then keep the the AD per level and reduce the True damage. The true damage is what hard to play around and why tanks rarely even work anymore imo

Frosted TipsAug 23, 20181 votes

I could see that but I still think my main point needs to be addressed by Riot.

HéntaiSénpaiAug 23, 20181 votes

True. I feel like a few Fighter mages would use it well, especially like Diana. She's been weak for a while D:

GodlyBaneAug 23, 20181 votes

but diana can still for the most part solo carry and use Q + R to one shot any squishy. And respectively if shes not fed enough to Q + R = kill she does W + Q + R for the kill instead, her design is very limited in the late game

HéntaiSénpaiAug 23, 20181 votes

She was also hit with the electro nerf for all-ins. She's a very specific champ that goes in and gets out. She's not really meant to get out unless you Zhonyas and Q+R to another target after CD is up. However, phase rush could be more of a viable pick now with Nimbus Cloak to get in and then out and Zhonyas behind your front line so you're in less danger. I dunno I've only put like 15-20 games into Diana

AirKingNeoAug 24, 20181 votes

if it's so overtunned, why is it not the most picked and why isn't it used competitively?

LordGeovanniAug 23, 20181 votes

As a fighter main i want our champions to be strong too but not by shitting on the fundamentals of the game by using broken true damage

Glory97Aug 23, 20182 votes

Then just replace conqueror with fervor of battle

RainXBladeAug 23, 20181 votes

Agreed. Fervor is overall better for the game since its numbers are much easier to tweak around.

SugeMinPikkAug 24, 20181 votes

How about we get a keystone that actually encourages long trades instead lol

I seem to remember such a keystone existing not too long ago.....

AirKingNeoAug 24, 20181 votes

35 ad is not a lot

InfernapeAug 23, 201810 votes

Fun fact. In its early stages, Conqueror was called Embiggen and gave adaptive stats (either AD or AP). It was changed because Riot thought AP scaling tanks and champs like Rumble would "abuse" it.

Then again if a tank "abuses" it, they lose out on and exchange most of the Resolve tree (literally 90% of their non kit tankiness) for damage.

Frosted TipsAug 23, 20181 votes

Good to know

InfernapeAug 23, 20185 votes

I still think Conqueror should be adaptive. Especially considering champs like the aforementioned Rumble don't really have a keystone and is a sustained damage dealer.

Beatrice fallsAug 23, 20183 votes

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Fun fact. In its early stages, Conqueror was called Embiggen and gave adaptive stats (either AD or AP). It was changed because Riot thought AP scaling tanks and champs like Rumble would "abuse" it.

Then again if a tank "abuses" it, they lose out on and exchange most of the Resolve tree (literally 90% of their non kit tankiness) for damage.

Tryndamere MasterYi Jax aren't abusing it tho amirite ?

GodlyBaneAug 23, 20181 votes

not rlly, its what they build that makes them strong, conquerer is only useful because of its AD enhancement.

LordGeovanniAug 23, 20181 votes

Its not about Magic damage its about the fact that riot intended for it to scale better on Fighters aka Jax MasterYi and Tryndamere than on tanks. but if tanks take it without caring that they get ad because tanks use ad well anyway and it was meta for about 3 months and then the boards complained about how it isnt fair that the keystone that they are using doesnst scale ap wise they would probally get what they want because riots balance team are as much sheep as the the general community is..

Daddy AntsAug 24, 20181 votes

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aren't abusing it tho amirite ?

Yasuo : Forgot me? Draven : Hey! What about me!

Moody PAug 23, 20183 votes

massively overrating resolve's durability bonus

La BelloAug 23, 20181 votes

are you talking about old Press the Attack that gave like 9 adaptive force per auto attack? I made a huge post about that along with possibilities of Transcendence abuse w certain CDR focused builds.

AirKingNeoAug 24, 20181 votes

lol what you can take resolve secondary and get the 2 best basic runes

SithesisLordAug 24, 20181 votes

Didn´t it give hybrid or adaptive percent penetration too instead of true damage in one of its iterations?

BLIGHTBRINGERAug 23, 20182 votes

I would love that it would be more of a diversive rune, because it would be adaptive damage but I think this would make every melee champion pick this rune.

It would need to be adjusted to be less focused around True Damage and more about the (gain x amount of AD or AP). Because if this change would go through buying resistances against Melee's would be pointless.

But a nice suggestion nontheless.

DW DianaAug 23, 20183 votes

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I would love that it would be more of a diversive rune, because it would be adaptive damage but I think this would make every melee champion pick this rune.

It would need to be adjusted to be less focused around True Damage and more about the (gain x amount of AD or AP). Because if this change would go through buying resistances against Melee's would be pointless.

But a nice suggestion nontheless.

Most melee AD champions already build this or electrocute, it's just the AP ones that are missing out. Sort of like the itemization around passive scaling; AD have everything (with 2 more coming in preseason), while AP have nothing

KelgAug 23, 20182 votes

I would like adaptive conq on Mordekaiser .

D357R0Y3RAug 24, 20181 votes

so you can shield less damage?

neat

KelgAug 24, 20181 votes

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so you can shield less damage?

neat

Sure, you wouldn't get shields from the true damage, but it would still be a fun option. Hell, I take fleet and grasp on Morde sometimes just to use something different.

Gregorovic08Aug 23, 20181 votes

I believe a Rioter did comment about this when Conqueror first came out. The reason they didn't give it adaptive stats was that they found it was too strong on tanks of all things. They would get the Ap and then deal part of their damage as true damage while still building almost entirely tank. Although the Ad isn't as useful, once you auto all of your damage is still partially converted to true damage no matter if it is ap or ad and you refresh it if you're melee.

Frosted TipsAug 23, 20181 votes

So shouldn't tanks be looked at then? I feel like if tanks can abuse it then they are the problem. I believe tanks have caused many things to be impossible to balance for AP fighters because tanks would abuse it.

Gregorovic08Aug 23, 20181 votes

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So shouldn't tanks be looked at then? I feel like if tanks can abuse it then they are the problem. I believe tanks have caused many things to be impossible to balance for AP fighters because tanks would abuse it.

Don't know what to say, I guess you're right. Could it also be part of the runes fault? There is for sure a flaw with tanks currently but perhaps there is something wrong with the rune as well.

wildfox99Aug 23, 20182 votes

what about reducing/removing the AP scalings of tanks that don't need them?

it could make it possible

Gregorovic08Aug 23, 20181 votes

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what about reducing/removing the AP scalings of tanks that don't need them?

it could make it possible

I think Riot wouldn't want to do that because it takes away build diversity. Tanks would be pigeonholed into building almost entirely full tank.

wildfox99Aug 24, 20181 votes

we don't want to negate build diversity,so we are not giving AP fighters what it might me a core rune/a nice and viable alternative so tanks can do some niche troll-build

alright [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

D357R0Y3RAug 24, 20181 votes

No the real reason is it's because it would requiere too much work for nothing

ap fighters don't need conqueror only a minority of them are weak, and i don't want vlad and swain to convert 20% of their damage into true damage especially when they build liandry and then deal %max hp true damage

Seer of MindAug 24, 20181 votes

please no... the last thing i want is a veigar dealing more true damage...

Frosted TipsAug 24, 20181 votes

Idk why he would take it he has to basic attack before using all his damage and that is very unlikely because he already 1 shots.

Seer of MindAug 24, 20181 votes

farm minions, stun w and q

Frosted TipsAug 24, 20181 votes

You have to basic attack the champion before it procs so unless you are against a melee it would be very unlikely this would happen until you have 3-4 points in E.