So Camilles Ultimate is literally what Jarvans Ultimate would be if it wasnt useless?

Raoul·Nov 21, 2016·36 votes·6,628 views

I mean, since Jarvans Ultimate is literally useless against 80% of all Champions, since everyone can just blink, dash or jump out these days?

65 Comments

PennsNov 21, 201637 votes

https://i.gyazo.com/1678980032a430464e84b81a4a276e76.png tho

paisyNov 21, 201616 votes

People tend to forget this for some reason

Squidward DabNov 21, 20168 votes

Until jarvan builds two damage items and ur health bar disappears faster than a fizz combo

ProfDrDeathNov 21, 20162 votes

To frigging everyone in the circle...

I QNov 21, 201626 votes

Jarvan's Ult does different things.

Camille can only trap one person, and it doesnt last long.

Whereas Jarvan can trap a whole team, and it lasts long.

XavanicNov 21, 20163 votes

yeah, but she can essentially pull an adc out of a fight and make them worthless by killing them

I QNov 21, 20161 votes

Also, she can be knocked out of her ult and it de-activates.

So if you face a camille, just pick any knockback character.

Tychusfindlay919Nov 21, 20161 votes

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Also, she can be knocked out of her ult and it de-activates.

So if you face a camille, just pick any knockback character.

Why knock them back when you can chest bump them and give em a world o hurt? Darius

AstôlfoNov 21, 20168 votes

Uh and then said ADC's team just comes back and kills her.

XavanicNov 22, 20161 votes

we have no idea her ratios yet, she could basically be a rengar that adcs cant run away from while i do understand the adcs team could save them, cant camilles team also prevent the enemy team from assisting the adc after they are trapped?

AstôlfoNov 22, 20162 votes

? She's on PBE. She's not a burster. She's a semi-tanky fighter/duelist.

Uh, how? Enemy team focuses Camille. Who is now stuck. If she flees, ADC escapes. If she doesn't, she dies. If Camille's team focuses protecting her, ADC rains hell on them. If Camille's team focuses ADC, they kill Camille. If Camille's team tries to focus the enemy team and leave Camille/ADC to their own, it still won't work. Shielding items + Summoner Spells, for one. Two, they can focus on either killing Camille or protecting their ADC with one half and then use the other half of their team to CC/stop the enemy team from trying to stop them. If Camille's team blows CC on ADC, ADC's team wipes them. If Camille's team blows CC on ADC's team, they also get CC'd back in kind and wiped by the ADC.

The one that makes the first move loses the advantage. And besides just moving in, the ADC's team can force the enemy team to make it.

XavanicNov 22, 20161 votes

camille ults adc, adc has to fight camille, now camille team engages on adc team, adc team has to tf without adc while camille tears adc a new asshole and kills adc, like your using worse case scenarios here, all it takes is camille to ult the adc and then an ori or sej ult to prevent them from helping the adc

AstôlfoNov 22, 20162 votes

Um, no. She ults ADC, ADC backs away from her. ADC's team just walks into the fucking circle. Nothing prevents them from walking in, genius.

And yeah, let's list off the most unlikely scenarios possible to justify our unreasonable fearmongering and hyperbole, why not?

XavanicNov 22, 20161 votes

i give up, people are so fucking stupid and try to make up every excuse in why somethings broken or bad, people of this community that do exactly what your doing is a fucking joke, you will probably also say ashe counters olaf because ashe is ranged, even though olaf can ult and kill her, like im srry, ppl like you piss me off, i listed someone using 1 ult on top of camilles ult, and your going on about how the adc will be able to run away in a confined space, on top of the enemy team appearantly all buying qss to stop sej ult to protect the adc, you probably also think vayne is weak because she doesnt have the highest win rate out of all the adcs, like im srry but srsly, fucking learn to think before you say shit, most adc players are fucking braindead and dont know how to kite unless their playing lucian or ezreal, stop trying to state something so fucking stupid and otherworldly that it would never happen

AstôlfoNov 22, 20162 votes

Ashe counters Olaf outside of his ultimate. Revel in your ignorance. It's adorable.

XavanicNov 22, 20161 votes

Damn, some salty kid is trying to act cool because he has lost most of his recent games, prob can only act like this when hes behind a computer screen aswell, lol

AwoofNov 22, 20163 votes

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Damn, some salty kid is trying to act cool because he has lost most of his recent games, prob can only act like this when hes behind a computer screen aswell, lol

You're doing the same right now, by the way. Not saying he isn't a jerk, though.

XavanicNov 22, 20161 votes

I just tried to make a realisitic statemeant, then he started saying unrealistic scenarios, when people do that it gets under my skin, hes factoring in that the adc is one of the maybe 100 players of league who actually understand how to kite, and that the enemy team is smart enough get there to help the adc, like im talk solo que mentality here, not ranked 5s

ForgiveColourNov 21, 201612 votes

Jarvan ult useless LOOOOOOL

TheHappyReaperzNov 21, 20168 votes

Immune to CC while casting, indestructible terrain for 3.5s, deals 450 + 150% of AD. Useless.

Vibrating HotdogNov 22, 20163 votes

But fails completely at it's most important aspect, 'impassable' terrain.

TheHappyReaperzNov 22, 20164 votes

Most ADC and Mages lack the mobility to escape it, and they would normally be the targets.

Vibrating HotdogNov 22, 20164 votes

But that doesn't mean it's impassable. The fact that it's semi-permeable means that it fails to do what it should do.

TheHappyReaperzNov 22, 20162 votes

Which is?

Vibrating HotdogNov 22, 20164 votes

uhh, being impassable terrain?

TheHappyReaperzNov 22, 20162 votes

It deals damage, as well as separates people, and creates terrain they have to move around.

Votable JesterNov 22, 20161 votes

Yeah let's make an entire team guaranteed stuck in a small area for several seconds on top of dealing massive damage. That sounds really fair.

Serika ZeroNov 22, 20161 votes

ADCs: Ashe - gets trapped Caitlyn - gets out Ezreal - gets out Graves - gets out Jhin - gets trapped Jinx - gets trapped Kalista - gets out Kindred - gets out Lucian - gets out MissFortune - gets trapped Quinn - gets out Sivir - gets trapped Tristana - gets out Twitch - gets trapped Vayne - stuns you in your ult and can also get out Urgot - might get out if he has a target outside the ult, but we will go with "gets trapped".

So, 7 ADCs get trapped. While 9 can escape. You seriously can't say "most adcs lack mobility". In fact, most ADCs have mobility.

CithriaCNov 22, 20161 votes

He maybe means ADCs + mages, though if jarvan gets close enough to ult them, they will probably die -vayne and kindred. Though adc,s have lots of mobility. Corki makes your list bigger.

Serika ZeroNov 23, 20161 votes

it highly depends on j4's build. He can indeed build to 1 shot those ADCs and Mages. But generally that build is really expensive, so only lane j4 does it. The reason you don't see it that often is due to it being very mana hungry in the early stages. Most j4 are building either tank or fighter, versus them, plenty of adcs can get out :(

Baron of BreadNov 22, 20161 votes

I think they changed it so Vayne couldn't get out. Something about dashes that can't cross terrain can no longer cross player made terrain, I would have to look it up to be sure.

XavanicNov 22, 20161 votes

Attempting to dash out of the ult will result in them being turned around and going back in, (its also funny as shit since you can turn a sion around)

48983507DEL1Nov 21, 20166 votes

I don't think you understand how brutally this counters a ton of champions tho.

The area is a lot smaller, meaning there's less room for positioning, and it also deals a dick ton of damage immediately. This is incredibly strong against certain champs, especially when you consider that most ADCs and Mages are not equipped with an escape, aside from Flash.

Another thing to keep in mind is how obstructive this ultimate is, regardless of if his target is able to escape. When used in the right spot, this can dramatically affect the positioning of carries and the divers' chance of reaching the backline. Most notably, of course, is how much this counters Olaf, who would otherwise run straight past the tanky frontliners.

IMO, Camille is more of a better Xin Zhou than a better J4. Xin's whole purpose is to isolate his target and challenge them to a duel, whether their team is present or not. However, it takes 2 buttons to maybe accomplish this, while Camille has both of those abilities on her ultimate, PLUS an extra gap closer. She's better than him in every way but skillfloor.

LeetriNov 22, 20161 votes

People are arguing that Xin's ult is the defensive version, while Camille's ult is the offensive version. Xin can knock back everyone, but Camille always leaves one target. Xin gains resistances, Camille gains damage.

taleofsonataNov 21, 20165 votes

Jarvan Ulti can do 60% of someone hp...

HauntNov 22, 20164 votes

Let me try and get this through to you

Jarvan ult does AOE damage, and keeps MORE THAN ONE PERSON together. Her ult keeps ONE person in a place for a 1v1. Jarvan's ult isn't useless, Camille doesn't set up for perfect AOE on an entire team, does she? Are you gonna say you'd rather have a Camille Rumble comp than Jarvan Rumble?

And yea, his ult has a counter, mobility. It has the ability to trap your entire team, so it needs counterplay. Maybe you should bait out the mobility spell before using it?

These ults are not comparable. They're for completely two different things. Different champs, different kits, different reasons for why to use the ult.

Karn BishopNov 22, 20161 votes

why not? the Camille rumble would be a way better synergy since the inherit power of removing flash for 4 seconds.

People say she wont be jungled, i laugh at that fantasy because in what world is a jungler who jumps from walls and can REMOVE FLASH up to 4 seconds a bad jungler? it wont matter if her early clear is slow when you provide that much utility to any ganks you show up to.

Heck i would argue the skill is a guaranteed kill vs most matchups top and mid lane, even on those one usually struggles to kill like zed.

HauntNov 22, 20161 votes

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why not? the Camille rumble would be a way better synergy since the inherit power of removing flash for 4 seconds.

People say she wont be jungled, i laugh at that fantasy because in what world is a jungler who jumps from walls and can REMOVE FLASH up to 4 seconds a bad jungler? it wont matter if her early clear is slow when you provide that much utility to any ganks you show up to.

Heck i would argue the skill is a guaranteed kill vs most matchups top and mid lane, even on those one usually struggles to kill like zed.

She can only trap one person. You're gonna waste rumble ult on the ONE guy that can't move?

When ganks are tied to her ult. Aside from that all she has is a short stun and slow. Your "super amazing ganks" only really happen when your ult is up.

LostFr0stNov 21, 20163 votes

I would agree if they hadn't changed J4 ult to damage everyone he traps and adjusted his W shield many patched back for champs hit.

OglafNov 21, 20162 votes

I do wish they'd add just a tiny bit of a shove to targets in Jarvan's Ultimate.

Not enough to disable the enemy or nothing, but merely be there to count as hard CC (like Maokai's Q "boop!"-effect) so he can trigger CoTC when jumping in.

Big LincolnNov 21, 20161 votes

then use your EQ

OglafNov 21, 20161 votes

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then use your EQ

No.

He needs it on his big initiator Ultimate as well.

MimrNov 21, 20161 votes

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I do wish they'd add just a tiny bit of a shove to targets in Jarvan's Ultimate.

Not enough to disable the enemy or nothing, but merely be there to count as hard CC (like Maokai's Q "boop!"-effect) so he can trigger CoTC when jumping in.

That would be too much. He already has a scaling shield on his W. I personally use Fervor of Battle, it makes him a deceptively powerful duelist. I've already killed a bunch of clueless jungle invaders with it that completely misestimated my sustained damage.

ZT XperimentorNov 22, 20162 votes

Riot needs to add the 'grounding' cc to several older champions since they won't fix the mobility creep.

Need Gold 4 TentNov 22, 20162 votes

J4's ultimate wants the entire enemy team IN it for his allied Fiddlesticks MissFortune Orianna to do their thing. Camille wants them OUT so that she can murder Jinx in a "fair" 1v1. I'd say a bigger similarity to XinZhao and old Poppy . Perhaps even thematically suited for Fiora .

NightmareAmazoXNov 22, 20161 votes

Can you get out of Camille's ult? and can allies enter her whatever that area is? If not this is literally a stronger version of Pre-Rework Poppy in one way ONLY that is killing the target shall be easier.

Brain Errör 404Nov 22, 20161 votes

Targeted player can't get out (by flash/dash/etc etc), but your teammates can walk in.

ArakadiaNov 22, 20161 votes

80% of champions don't has mobility and if a champion has mobility it might not allow them to escape such as Naut hook or Xin Zhao dash.

JusticePauldronsNov 22, 20161 votes

Really I would say it is a better XinZhao ultimate. They both do the same thing, displace enemies to make a target vulnerable. Want to know the real... eh-hem, kicker? it does it far better in nearly every regard.

RequiemsfireNov 22, 20161 votes

You know it's hard to believe Xin Zhao and Irelia came out in the same year given that Irelia's kit is a little more technical than Xin Zhao's. Xin's weakness was never about his utility or damage but the lack thereof, no escapes, no playmaking, the only game play decision xin has to seriously think about is whether or not he should rush his opponent.

He is a victim of his own design, a champion that really only thrives based on the meta or when his numbers are slightly overturned and when they are he no longer becomes a decent or Fairly strong but rather becomes a very menacing pubstomper.