Forget MF or Jhin , the most abusive case of lethality from range has to be ...

Angelofchaos16x·Feb 16, 2017·69 votes·5,416 views

Quinn If you are a squishy champion with no escapes , you are dead and just gold in her eyes There is nothing more terrifying then a Quinn with these : with both active , running at you with her Thunderlords ready , in her ultimate form. She will E on you and then auto you and then murder you. And since she has a , guess who can´t CC her stupid ass so she can´t one shot you ? Seriously , make lethality only melee , nerf it or do both

123 Comments

Asayake 5150glowFeb 16, 201734 votes

If you are squishy, immobile, alone, without your team, and without well placed wards when there is an enemy Quinn building Lethality, you can't expect not to be punished.

I mean it's not like Zed, Kha, or Rengar wouldn't do the same thing.

no to toxicFeb 16, 20174 votes

Atleast you can juke those champs if you play it smart and got flash up. Quinn does most of her dmg with autos ,has a ult wich makes her so fast wards won`t do anything unless you are a LCS team building vision against some silver 5 players and she is ranged. Unless we can all get a free Jax E there is no counterplay to it.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 16, 201710 votes

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Atleast you can juke those champs if you play it smart and got flash up. Quinn does most of her dmg with autos ,has a ult wich makes her so fast wards won`t do anything unless you are a LCS team building vision against some silver 5 players and she is ranged. Unless we can all get a free Jax E there is no counterplay to it.

Did you just say you can juke Rengar ? Or Khazix targeted Q?

Also, Quinn isn't actually that fast with her ult, it's really not that fast until late game when she gets >700 movespeed without homeguards. Youmuu's helps, but remember that you can stop her ult with any damage. Being a mage you should have more than 1 spell so it isn't completely stopped by EoN.

I mean, she isn't even stealthed Rengar , her she needs to get closer to be in range to hit you Khazix (his leap range is larger than Quinn's range range), and she can't juke half your kit by being untargetable Zed

EnloctFeb 16, 201720 votes

Rengar Alerts entire enemy team he is coming, and tells them which one he is closest to, real time

"Stealthed"

Cosmic WarperFeb 17, 20174 votes

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Alerts entire enemy team he is coming, and tells them which one he is closest to, real time

"Stealthed"

That has nothing to do with the case we're talking about. We're talking about when you're singled out and on your own. All of the aforementioned champions are bad in teamfighting scenarios where an ally with cc is near you.

EnloctFeb 17, 20178 votes

It has everything to do with not having enough time to respond to Quinn because of her MS. Rengar tells you hes coming either from a mile away or...he just walked normally. Quinn blasts through wards and is in your face 2-3 seconds after you see her a quarter of the map away.

Cosmic WarperFeb 17, 20174 votes

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It has everything to do with not having enough time to respond to Quinn because of her MS. Rengar tells you hes coming either from a mile away or...he just walked normally. Quinn blasts through wards and is in your face 2-3 seconds after you see her a quarter of the map away.

Except you can't see where rengar is until he's on top of your face. You know he's coming for you but not from what angle. Even though quinn is very fast you still have time to hit her and prepare. She's just a problem due to edge of night which removes that form of counterplay. Edge of night honestly needs to be removed

raynacFeb 17, 20172 votes

Lethality Quinn also has dusk blade I know I've caught the enemy team off guard a few times by flying past a newly disabled ward while traveling Mach 20

Asayake 5150glowFeb 17, 20174 votes

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Alerts entire enemy team he is coming, and tells them which one he is closest to, real time

"Stealthed"

Aka he's untargetable till he jumps on you, and you can't hit him with skillshots since you can't see where he is. That's more what I meant by 'stealthed'.

NuparuFeb 17, 20176 votes

You can technically juke Rengar Q...

But the practicality is not high unless you're Vayne.

MissingKayoFeb 17, 20172 votes

SKT T1 Bang did it multiple times as Ezreal on stream.

NineTailedMysticFeb 17, 20172 votes

Being a mage you should have more than 1 spell so it isn't completely stopped by EoN.

Implying she flies at you in a straight line.

GayFluffyUnicornFeb 17, 20173 votes

Yes i can, i can flash out of any of those jumps. I can CC them or whatever. Quinn just stops you entirely with her E and blinds you immediately so you can't even click on her to do anything in a 1v1. Quinn is bullshit and broken since her small rework, fortunately she was never popular until now

ClatoVerataNictoFeb 16, 201718 votes

You realize that Quinn moves so fast that you cannot possibly run fast enough even with well placed wards.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 16, 20176 votes

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You realize that Quinn moves so fast that you cannot possibly run fast enough even with well placed wards.

Seriously?

That's a blatant lie.

Auz the RipperFeb 17, 201715 votes

With mobi boots and the build in the OP, her movement speed is 989 while youmuu's active. Even with a normal set of boots her MS is 909

Seems enough for me

Asayake 5150glowFeb 17, 20173 votes

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With mobi boots and the build in the OP, her movement speed is 989 while youmuu's active. Even with a normal set of boots her MS is 909

Seems enough for me

Mobi's are pretty rare on Quinn.
Then hit her with one of your hugeass AoE skillshots that every single immobile squishy has! Take her out of her R and out of Mobi's. Also, she's a pretty big hitbox - any CC will fuck her, and if you're long range, fuck her before she does you.

kile147Feb 17, 20179 votes

You can't cc her, she has a spell shield.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 17, 20173 votes

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You can't cc her, she has a spell shield.

You have more than 1 spell dude.

kile147Feb 17, 201710 votes

she has 500+ movespeed which means by the time she's in range to hit with any spell you have time to cast 1 before she's on you, which is blocked by the spell shield. That's also assuming you can hit that fast of a target with a skill shot in the first place.

Spicy RiceFeb 17, 20178 votes

Hence edge of night

Asayake 5150glowFeb 17, 20173 votes

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Hence edge of night

Hence your kit contains three abilities and also an ult.

Spicy RiceFeb 17, 20176 votes

Point being, by the time you pop it, she is already close enough to you to kill you.

Not to mention, she's fast enough to easily dodge skillshots

Auz the RipperFeb 17, 201712 votes

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Mobi's are pretty rare on Quinn.

Hence why I included the MS with normal boots like greaves

Then hit her with one of your hugeass AoE skillshots that every single immobile squishy has! Take her out of her R and out of Mobi's. Also, she's a pretty big hitbox - any CC will fuck her, and if you're long range, fuck her before she does you.

not all champion have sufficient range to knock her out of her ultimate before she's on you especially on the multiple abilities needed to get through edge of night

ClatoVerataNictoFeb 17, 201712 votes

Quinn is missing from top.

5 seconds later

Jinx has been slain under tier 2 turret.

5 seconds later: Tier 1 bot turret is destroyed for turret FB

MelledoneusFeb 17, 20175 votes

But Zed, Kha, and Rengar don't just build a Youmuu's and start insta-deleting people.

They actually have to land abilities and sneak up on you while Quinn super sonic speeds in and locks you in place for a death combo.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 17, 20171 votes

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But Zed, Kha, and Rengar don't just build a Youmuu's and start insta-deleting people.

They actually have to land abilities and sneak up on you while Quinn super sonic speeds in and locks you in place for a death combo.

Yes. Yes they do.

I didn't know Zed pressing R was landing abilities and sneaking up on you? Zed can practically instagib any squishy with a full combo. Quinn needs to be fed to do that.

MelledoneusFeb 17, 20172 votes

If Zed doesn't land his shurikens his damage is utter shit. Even during ult. A huge portion of his damage (Almost all of it) lies in his shurikens.

HawkefireFeb 17, 20172 votes

I just hate how she has a psuedo-pantheon ult on a virtually nonexistant cooldown. They really should give her a different ult, she really can't ever be allowed to be strong with something that provides so much global pressure without being far too oppressive (especially with how the rest of her kit works).

King LeBongFeb 17, 20176 votes

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If you are squishy, immobile, alone, without your team, and without well placed wards when there is an enemy Quinn building Lethality, you can't expect not to be punished.

I mean it's not like Zed, Kha, or Rengar wouldn't do the same thing.

The only problem I have with this argument is, if you see Zed or Kha'Zix coming towards you from half of the map away you have a little bit of time to escape. If you see Quinn coming at you from half of the map away, it's already too late and your negligible mistake gets punished severely. You should be able to farm a wave safely if the nearest assassin on the map is 8000 units away.

She's just got too much speed in her ult, it's the same story with Rengar. When you see them from a good distance away with well placed wards, it's still too late.

CppLFeb 17, 20172 votes

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If you are squishy, immobile, alone, without your team, and without well placed wards when there is an enemy Quinn building Lethality, you can't expect not to be punished.

I mean it's not like Zed, Kha, or Rengar wouldn't do the same thing.

None of them can run from top lane to bot lane in like 5 seconds.

Dasdi96Feb 16, 201726 votes

You know what makes it worse? If you are tanky melee bruiser, you won't be one shot, but you will be kited to death.

SpoofghoulFeb 16, 201758 votes

Rengar did someone say kittened to death?

It Hertz When IPFeb 17, 20177 votes

Nidalee Meow....

Velzard of KozFeb 17, 20174 votes

So many pussies in this comment line

Photos of GhostsFeb 17, 20172 votes

That already existed before lethality. I made it out of an Olaf ult+ghosting on my face through E, W passive and Bork

bork

serenity7Feb 16, 201717 votes

Quinn is a hot mess tbh. Lethality just exaggerates her existing problems.

JoeMGFeb 16, 20177 votes

She's been on the stronger side for a while now. I'm sure if people started playing her more we'd see the boards erupt with demands for her to get nerfed.

SaltyKrackaFeb 17, 20175 votes

Boards tend to erupt with demands for her nerfing because she's bullshit. It doesn't matter how popular she is.

AirKingNeoFeb 16, 201717 votes

She's "abusing lethality" but is intended to build it like any other assassin.

I guess she's "abusing" it as much as Kayle "abuses" onhits. As in building how they should.

Guyy FieriFeb 17, 20172 votes

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She's "abusing lethality" but is intended to build it like any other assassin.

I guess she's "abusing" it as much as Kayle "abuses" onhits. As in building how they should.

Except Quinn's not an assassin....... if she were an assassin then ok but that's not the case

kile147Feb 17, 20173 votes

She is intended as an assassin marksman. That was a major part of her identity that Riot reinforced during the marksman update.

NineTailedMysticFeb 17, 20172 votes

Except, as a Marksman, she should still be expected to build crit. Hell, I'm pretty sure Harrier has interaction with crit.

Darksun DragoonFeb 17, 20171 votes

Harrier interacts with crit solely because riot didn't want Quinn players to feel punished if they built it. She was never intended to focus crit like a normal adc.

NineTailedMysticFeb 17, 20172 votes

Then she shouldn't have any interaction with crit. Pick ArPen or Crit encouragement, not both.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 17, 20171 votes

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Then she shouldn't have any interaction with crit. Pick ArPen or Crit encouragement, not both.

Why not? There's still no problems with her damage. At least, not compared to others. I've been oneshot by a Fizz's point blank R into an E, Q, and W, when he was only 2/0.

Spicy RiceFeb 17, 20174 votes

The problem is she's a ranged assassin.

What's makes most assassins balanced is that they are melee, so for the most part,if they can hit you, you can hit them.

The inherent advantage of ranged champs is that they can attack you before you can damage them.

Now, when you have a ranged assassin, you basically have gotten rid of the part that makes assassins high risk, high reward. Quinn often can damage/kill her opponents without them being able to interact with her.

And it doesn't help that she primarily is played top, a lane that has been primarily melee for a very long time.

Tl;dr Quinn combines the advantages of marksmen and assassins without really sharing their weaknesses

NineTailedMysticFeb 17, 20172 votes

You can kite or run from Fizz. You cannot escape Quinn. A vast majority of Quinn's damage is point/click and retains the same 100-0 instaburst the Assassin Update set out to give counterplay to. Add in EoN, and you can't even CC her as she uses E since she lands predictably.

MelledoneusFeb 17, 20173 votes

At least Kayle didn't have a spell shield every time she went in.

And her ultimate doesn't have a 40 second cooldown.

ClementineFeb 16, 201710 votes

I think Quinn and Varus are on the same level of ridiculousness. Quinn oneshots you with no coutnerplay with 700 movement speed but Varus will snare your entire team while doing 75% of your hp with one Q while doing so. And then there's Graves...

ugh, lethality is killing everyone else