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Dissolving three people at once versus melting one person and then W goes on cooldown, leaving Kog highly vulnerable for the next seven seconds.
If Kog couldn't melt half the enemy team at once, then the downtime on his W would be quite a bit more meaningful. Put differently, is Hurricane actually bringing anything valuable to the game? Or is it just giving AoE to champions that probably shouldn't have AoE to begin with?
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesit is kog %hp damage and attack speed steroid. due to him having those abilities and having ad, %hp damage and magic damage, itemizing vs a 
is nearly impossible you get HP he does more damage, you get mr you dont have armor you stack armor you dont have hp.
what are you gonna really build vs 
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Maximum Morde1 votesZhonyas and Guardian Angel.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesno hp and he just has to kill you 3 times. might as well go a team comp of
and run 
on every 1
Maximum Morde1 votesExactly. The idea is that his w wears off killing you so many times so you can actually fight back. Lol.
TTK Dreadnought1 votes
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 voteslol kog dont care a 6 item kog is gonna kill anything
Rebonack1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BuyQ4kAE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-09-08T16:36:41.946+0000)
it is kog %hp damage and attack speed steroid. due to him having those abilities and having ad, %hp damage and magic damage, itemizing vs a
what are you gonna really build vs
and then pretty much whatever else you want. Tumble poke at Kog with Rapidfire's range boost until Kog pops W. Use your superior speed to NOPE the hell away until W runs out. Pop your Ult and murder Kog while he's helpless.
You don't beat Kog by building more defense. He's got %HP and resist shred in his kit. You beat Kog by playing around his W and killing him when it runs out. When a champion has damage that can't be mitigated, the solution isn't to build more mitigation. It's to kill them faster.
He is over-tuned, though. He's just been such an uncommon champion that people have no idea how to deal with him. Fighting Kog does NOT work like fighting most other ADCs. And that's making him seem even stronger than he actually is.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesthe range difference on vayne and kog is so great that unless he gets out of position she should never be close enough to attack him. and when do you see people with on vayne
The Candy Pirate1 votesNono , ekko is the problem
Nahui1 votesIt's a combination of a lot of things. Hurricane has always existed and even used to have more attack speed.
It's the availability of onhit items and how powerful they are. It's the fact he does hybrid damage and that's impossible to itemize against with %max health and current health also being a factor.
It's that he shreds anyone given a few seconds, and cc/peel typically lasts that amount of time.
Jungle Kog works due to a percent health on hit item with attack speed.
Wits end allows him to survive Mage bursts which are his greatest weakness. It also provides damage, attack speed, synergizes with rageblade, and makes you weaker to his hybrid magic damage while beefing him up.
Bork gives life steal, attack speed, on hit percent physical, some cute AD, and an active allowing him to kite.
Rageblade amplifies the rest of his kit and items.
Hurricane allows him to melt 3 targets instead of one. With all the onhit he builds, it works and works hard. Again, attack speed.
He has many items that just fit him perfectly, namely rageblade. It's an item balanced and built around taking time to ramp up with 8 autos (forgot if it's still 4 for melee). Even with a max attack speed adc, that's 3.2 seconds of build up. For Kog? That can be a simple 1.6 second build up. See how someone peeling or stunning a dive gives Kog enough time to fully build up and shred anyone?
Kog Maw is balanced around solo capabilities unfortunately when he's a champion picked for team play. Most champs are balanced this way. His weaknesses are no mobility, no defenses, no escapes, etc so the idea is just jump on him and he dies.
Now with a team of 4 others dedicated to protecting you, suddenly that weakness fades away.
With only 1.6 seconds late game to build up to full power, and a whole team ideally protecting you, it's no wonder you are one of the best hyper carries in the game. There is no champion (save maybe trynd), no build path that will remotely save you from Kog. He can and will shred any champ, any build, any objective in the game. His counterplay is to bring him down instantly or catch him out.
Overall, they wanted to bring hurricane back. It was an extremely niche item only used by the most extreme of onhit champs, being Kog, Teemo, and maybe Twitch. It gave pure attack speed, being valued as the aoe on hit item that just wasn't too useful.
Now it was revamped to give less pure attack speed but crit as well and keeping the aoe aspect. It brought the item back, but honestly not by much. It just made the item better for those champs already using it. Those that began using it post rework are champs that really shouldn't be having that aoe, like jinx and her rockets exploding in all 3 shots or Ashe and her multi slow. Kog was already using it as was twitch, so all it did was make them better and more fit for jungle.
LappaDanielson1 votesKog main on smurf, (Dadpleaseithurts)
ANY dive or early jungles that invade will make kog legit USELESS. you go xin and invade there is nothing kog can do, same with shaco, elise, akali, nids, gragas and tons more. All you have to do to beat a kogmaw is be smart and invade then close the game out while kog is useless
Rebonack1 votesKog main on smurf, (Dadpleaseithurts)
ANY dive or early jungles that invade will make kog legit USELESS. you go xin and invade there is nothing kog can do, same with shaco, elise, akali, nids, gragas and tons more. All you have to do to beat a kogmaw is be smart and invade then close the game out while kog is useless
I'm a Kog main. Have been since before Season 1 started. I know how to counter him. Jungle Kog without Heavy Hands is pretty much free food provided pressure is maintained. But in spite of that, Riot feels that Kog is overtuned right now and they have some changes in the pipe for him (or so Meddler said in another Kog topic). It sounds like they'll probably split some power out of his W, but I guess we'll see.
This topic is more intended to scrutinize his item choices. Of all the stuff Kog can build, Hurricane feels like the outlier. Before the pre-season Kog rarely picked it up. He was more interested in a poke/kite play style focused on Trinity. But now that Riot (disastrously) decided to focus Kog wholly on his long range machine gun play pattern Hurricane effectively triples Kog's effectiveness against the enemy team. Which seems like overkill.
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesKog main on smurf, (Dadpleaseithurts)
ANY dive or early jungles that invade will make kog legit USELESS. you go xin and invade there is nothing kog can do, same with shaco, elise, akali, nids, gragas and tons more. All you have to do to beat a kogmaw is be smart and invade then close the game out while kog is useless
are you a smurf really because i've seen 0/7 kogs go legendary after getting 3 items. which are the jg item. wits end or botrk. and runnans.
i had a tf one time invade the kog every time in the jungle. and he ended up carrying the game because hes bullshit
LappaDanielson1 votesare you a smurf really because i've seen 0/7 kogs go legendary after getting 3 items. which are the jg item. wits end or botrk. and runnans.
i had a tf one time invade the kog every time in the jungle. and he ended up carrying the game because hes bullshit
i mean my lowest account for fun is g3 then i have multiple diamond and plat accounts so i dont know what the first part of your statement was geared for. but tf invading kog in jungle also makes no sense at all, im talking about actual dive champs.... if a tf came into my jungle i would just be confused tbh. Also heres the thing if a kog is 0/7 the game should be over, the problem with gold elo (and most for that matter) is no one knows how to finish a game out. also if kog builds wits end botrk and runnans you should be able to 1 shot him.
GULAG 4 U1 votesThen he ends up 0/10. And since he farms so hard, after he gets 3 items, and if there's a lulu:
G. Fucking. G.
GULAG 4 U1 votes
This item. It's literally shit on everybody else.
