Supports who never buy vision/clear vision and bitch at JG for not ganking

Dirty Bastard··2 votes·263 views

Ok, so thoughts. Enemy jungle has total vision of bot lane, and your support is more interested in rushing morello and then trying to spend 40 min rushing rabba... then has the nerve to flame jungle for not coming bot.

River is always warded by enemy support and they do sweep what I place in lower jungle I am river taking crab and when I hit the flower, I see 3 wards river, and a red in the small bush, in plain sight. I ask the Karma to kill the wards so I can come in, she doesn't so I cannot move in when I am bot river without being seen. My support does not ever buy a sweeper, takes ignite over exhaust and our adc has ignite over heal.

So, I cannot really get bot as Yori and do a gank that will get me anywhere, enemy team is an ashe and a zil.

I spend 30 minutes of being flamed by this Karma. Who starts report calling, never wards, never clears and never even bought a red to clear a thing. I'm yori, slow and yes I may have my ult but the zil dbl bomb and ashe ult are devastating and im pretty much slow and not as mobile and they were never prepared for me to come in.

This Karma was feeding lane 2/8 and would rather argue about wanting the rabba then buy ever by sightstone and ward and secure drag, river etc. I deal about 300K damage in the game and push mid, and top is fine so really trying to keep ahead and push turrets.

What would other Jungles do here, would you go in with a Yori, when they have all that control bot lane? Or would you continue to ask bot to ward and clear so you can come in. I am not saying I was excellent this game, we had an invade and it set me back but I did my best and pushed turrets and tried to control river but without bot warding it was impossible to move in. TBH it was a normal, it is a 6am game and I am just hamming around working river, pushing turrets and trying to keep ahead.

Why should I die to bot lane, they have a Kayn jungle. It was a pretty hopeless lane imo. And I am sick of ppl report calling when they do nothing to help their lane or help to get the gank they whine about.

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C9 Squeeky 1 votes

Even mage supports like Brand /Zyra or unconventional supports like Galio /Camille should be buying item 2049. People just don't understand the importance of vision control, both having eyes on your opponent as well as keeping them blind. If they know where you are on the map, they can analyze the easiest objective to take because it isn't defended as well. FoW is very helpful getting a pick off so you can win the upcoming teamfight or put pressure on baron. Besides, it's a fool's errand to rush damage like Rabba when behind, especially since rabba itself is not even a good 2nd item. The Karma could've at least gone item 3504 or item 3174 which gives decent amount of AP with other useful stats.

I'm not a jungler but I will say that it is not the jungler's job/fault if a lane wins/loses. The laners have to prep the lane and it depends on the matchup and jg champion. Some are better off farming, some can't gank pre-6 (Shyvana) or more late-game oriented (MasterYi ). And besides all that, Karma is supposed to be a lane bully! She has poke, she has shield(s), speed up to chase/run from enemy ganks. That Karma is both stupid and bad lol.

Dirty Bastard1 votes

Sound input, if I play support I always rush sightstone after upgrading my gold item the next tier, then always if I have shield rush sensor, from there my kit has always been duo items that benefit my carry with added buffs. And I buy min 10 or more reds in a 40 min game to clear whenever my sweeper is down. Supports should imo pack utility items that benefit the team over dmg and second priority over protecting lane partner is controlling vision with wards.

I should mention too, that imo taking ignite on a champ such as Jhin made little sense given that the whole point of his kit being ranged such as it is, and it is very good range... the odds of ever being that close to use the ignite would be limited if he is played correctly.

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