@RiotScruffy considering the talk about an update for immobile mages,and zyra in specific

Thank you Scruffy.

As a Mid Zyra Main, I'm relieved haha.

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Cool, glad I asked. IMO we can aim for a good at both option like a lot of our Top/Jung champs or some of the ADC/Mids that work well. If there's strong support for mid Zyra, no reason to not support it.

My opinion: Zyra is Annie, in terms of lane and role.

It's great if she's good at support, but if she's not good in mid lane, we've got a problem.

Has anyone looked into buffs specifically for Jungle Zyra? In theory, her kit should allow her to fill the role rather nicely, mostly counterganking and farming up for the mid-late game damages, while providing good utility for her team, at the cost of mobility and survivability. She's currently one of only a few true mages who can jungle, the others being Fiddlesticks (who is really bad right now), Karma (who is kind of amazing), and maybe Morgana. The other AP junglers are mostly assassins like nidalee and diana.

While in theory her kit SHOULD allow for good jungling, particularly with the free "wards" her W provides, her early clear is just too horrible to get away with unless the enemy jungler is woefully incompetent. Would it be too much to ask for her to get something of a "nidalee treatment", with specific interactions with jungle camps to help her early clear (first clear and the ones before getting Runeglaive)?

Also on the subject of Runeglaive, it REALLY is suboptimal for true mage junglers (hence why no one plays fiddlesticks anymore). Runeglaive is really good for some junglers, but could we get another alternative for actual mages soon? Is there a reason there can only be 5 jungle items and no two that scale with the same stat that offer different power curves (early pressure vs late carry)?

annie morgana lux. thats al i need to say on that... I believe 2 of 3 of them are meant to be mid.. and work as intended mid.. but work great as support.. zyra is sub-par at both.. but that is kind of because plant ai is very weird.. maybe could use some type of ALT+button control.. something.. and her passive..

I definitely think aiming for a good mid/support is what should be done for her. I personally main her in mid and occasionally take her in the support role.

Why purposefully eliminate a part of her player base?

Suggestions for change:

• Add some MS. She is one of the slowest champions in the game. I mean we get it, she's a plant, but this is a little much.

• Tinker with her passive. I think her passive is decent the way it stands now, but I'm sure something more interesting could be done with it.

• More plants! Allow her W to spread its roots after it's been planted for X amount of time and sprout an additional bud randomly within a limited range. Would make her w more interesting instead of just a means to an end and would also give zyra more plants

• I really would like her to be able to set up a "base" of sorts. Her plants should be able to thrive in the jungle thematically, so why can't she do more with them?

She doesn't really feel like the Rise of the Thorns with only two plants under her control. Right now she is just another combo control mage that has some dots from her plants. I think there are many cool things that could be done with her character that are not being taken advantage of.

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Cool, glad I asked. IMO we can aim for a good at both option like a lot of our Top/Jung champs or some of the ADC/Mids that work well. If there's strong support for mid Zyra, no reason to not support it.

you know immoble mages have one of the high rates in the game right?

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Cool, glad I asked. IMO we can aim for a good at both option like a lot of our Top/Jung champs or some of the ADC/Mids that work well. If there's strong support for mid Zyra, no reason to not support it.

just throwing my opinion in but she needs to be a mid laner dont ruin her for me just dont do it man

Not everyone agrees with my brother Shadow up there.

Back when I was still a scrub with all champions, I played a bit of Zyra. I don't know why, her kit just clicked with me. I played her mid a lot after that, but now have brought her down into the support role to the point that I main support with her.

The thing is, I LOVE her as a support. Unless you added a cool movement mechanic like Zyra teleporting to her seeds/plants, I wouldn't want to play her mid.

Damagey supports like Zyra, Xerath, Velkoz, Brand, and Annie, are cool (maybe the last too aren't). I hope the immobile mage changes don't remove why those champs were fun to play in a support role.

I am not saying don't give her the tools to play mid. I'm asking give her the ability to play both.

If you max W you lose all of the Q and E damage and root duration, not to mention a shorter Q CD anyway. It's never worth the 2% CDR you gain.

To be fair Morg was designed as a support (the class not the role, the role didn't exist at the time) and was latter picked up by players as a mage in the mid lane.

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Maybe it's Riot's way of saying "screw you" to CertainlyT?

Pretty sure certainlyT was the guy behind the nerfs,I'm guessing the proccess was: "Hmm,this champion isn't retarded enough for me to be associated with it,I'm going to nerf it to the point people forget it exists".

I've given up on Morde tbh

Lol agreed.

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majority.. you mean the ones that play her as support because playing her in mid is not as good as it could be and want to play her in her current optimal role?

No,I mean the majority of the people playing her.

Look,people in this game just don't roll this way,a mid laner isn't going to play support zyra because she's better there,either he plays mid zyra,or he plays a different mid laner mid.

The vast majority of people who play support zyra are support mains,you can easily see that if you look for random zyra games in lolking(under replays).