@Riot Let's have some follow up dicussion on zyra.

So first of all this is directed mostly at higher elos,although I do think this is relevant for lower elos,I don't think it's as relevant as the supports I'll be mentioning(besides zyra) don't have enough of a presence for low elo players to adapt their play to them.

Currently I'm rather surprised at the AI of her plants,I guess I got so used to her old clunky AI that I didn't realize how bad it is,this should be a solid buff...to her winrate.

Issue is: as bot lane currently works,meta tank supports who basically define the lane have a very strong lockdown and stickiness,with the new itemization damage just doesn't deter them anymore,If you do not have a very potent disengage(morg e and q are a good example of that) you are at best a very situational pick and most likely just out of viability(sona/velkoz shares this problem as well,even nami struggles with this),this is more than just because of enemy bot lane pressure but because of jungler pressure as well,hell even disengage oriented tanks(like braum) can follow up and escape ganks better than zyra,who is much more offensively oriented.

And then you start taking roam and map pressure into account,zyra is just so vulnerable its even hard for her to ward,whereas roaming or even counterganking for her is very risky for her,she also is forced into a choice between mobility(as in mobo boots) and damage(sorc boots),on one hand she needs to build damage to justify being picked,on the other hand the map pressure mobos gives is just critical for the vast majority of supports,zyra among them.

All of this just boils down to the fact that,zyra simply stands no chance against opponents who are aware of her weaknesses and are willing to exploit them,plant ai won't change that,the reverted ult buff also won't change that,she currently can sort of survive off of "people don't know how to play against her,because people don't play her,because if people played her people would know how to play against her",but the lower elos won't pick her up because the higher elos won't play her,and higher elos won't play her because they don't want to rely on such a "strength".

I feel that with the current tank support meta(which pretty much stayed for years,so I don't see much sense in hoping it will go away),there's no way to make zyra good at higher levels of play without making her oppressive at lower levels of play,unless giving a much stronger disengage on her early levels,which would probably require a lot of changes to zyra,and I'm not sure anybody wants that.

Due to that,as much as I used to enjoy support zyra I simply feel like she is out of potential in bot lane,and I think it's much more feasible to make her work mid without making too many changes to her(which will just frustrate her playerbase),as I feel the damage she brings is capable of deterring skilled opponents from just outright killing her in mid lane,I feel that she has the potential to be a solid niche pick with a good playerbase in mid lane,whereas I feel like I simply can't say the same for her support role.

Finally I would like to remind you again that this is focused mostly on high level/competitive play,and the effects it has on her popularity in lower levels of play,not so much on her strength in the lower elos,which I'm guessing that she's rather strong both mid and support,due to her aoe focused nature.

Any chance a rioter feels like sharing his thoughts on the matter? It would be greatly appreciated...