Don't remove Juggernaut

Ataraxas··1 votes·962 views

In most cases Juggernaut is better then Cinderhulk Let's look at what each does and gives:

Juggernaut:

  • Tenacity
  • 10%cdr
  • More hp

Cinderhulk:

  • No tenacity
  • No cdr
  • Less hp
  • Lose all this just to get sunfire passive that doesn't even stack with sunfire, You could have just brought Juggernaut and Sunfire if you really wanted the passive. Now tank junglers can only buy one major health and armor item if the enemy is ad heavy (Randuins). Since their enchantment already gives sunfire passive and doesn't stack

I know I didn't mention something: 25% bonus hp Now let's talk about what's wrong with that

  • It only gives 25% bonus health
  • Even as tanks sometimes more then half of your hp is from your stats not "Bonus health"
  • The item that (was) known for it's hp: Warmog's Armor doesn't give that much hp anymore so you can't be all powerful with health
  • There is an item called botrk that completely destroys health
  • As I said if you get this enchantment another hp item goes to waste: Sunfire cape
  • Without sunfire cape you only have like 3 major items that give hp and mr/armor, them being: Randuins, Spirit Visage, and Banshee's veil
  • There are items like Thornmail, Ninja Tabi, Frozen Heart, and what benifits do you get from this enchantment for buying those? Nothing.
  • As I mentioned before no tenacity
  • No Tenacity = Mercury's Treads to get tenacity
  • Mercury's Treads = No ninja tabi
  • No Ninja Tabi = Even more weaker to ad ( Tanks already lost sunfire, and the ad have botrk)
  • TANKS NEED TENACITY
  • It's not fair that only two items in the whole game gives tenacity
  • One clearly not meant for tanks
  • And the other is a boot...
  • People like Udyr are back into the darkness

I hope I'm not the only one who feels like this. I mean they can add cinderhulk for all I care but please, just don't remove Juggernaut.

5 Comments

Variks the Loyal2 votes

Don't need the CDR. I get plenty from Masteries, Frozen Heart, Locket, Spirit Visage, Runes, IBG, Brutalizer...

In most cases, I'm worried about going over the CDR cap than reaching it.

The lesser hp is made up by the 25% bonus hp. Don't forget everyone runs bonus hp in masteries, and in many cases, in the runes.

And my favorite part is I won't need to pick between Sunfire and Randuins. Get the best of both worlds.

Wallymarts1 votes

you realize that a lot of tanks that barely scratched 4kHP ,will not easily soar past it because of this item. Sejuani for instance scales with HP, and seeing a sejuani late game with 5kHP is going to amazing. All tank junglers benefit from the 25% hp buff. The cdr can be gained through items.

RogueWill2 votes

a 5k hp sejuani is actually rather weak, she might seems to be rather unkillable but then ther is no cdr an she can only rotate once. There is no tenacity so she can be locked down easily. There is no much armor or mr so bork eats you rather fast. and remember most of your brust damage was changed so you don;t get as much benefits from a full hp build I'm more comfortable with a 3.5hp sejuani since it allocates more space for armor/mr and some damage.

Leti the Yeti1 votes

Udyr back in the darkness? fuq yeah! I know ur wrong but if it was true..I'd be so happy

Talamare1 votes

If I have 2000 Base HP and 2000 Bonus HP

I am perfectly fine with this item providing 500 Bonus HP in addition to its 350 HP base

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