@Riot Balance team, please explain your thoughts behind this "unfair" way of nerfing

La9wa··2 votes·718 views

I'll make this as quick as possible. Annie and Morgana are both AP champions that have seen success as supports and therefore got nerfed by having their base values reduced, except that....

Annie had her AP ratios increased to not affect AP Annie: > Disintegrate > Base damage reduced to 80 / 115 / 150 / 185 / 220 from 85 / 125 / 165 / 205 / 245. > Ability power scaling increased to (+80% AP) from (+70% AP). > If Disintegrate kills its target, the cooldown is reduced by half (in addition to refunding the mana).

> Incinerate > Base damage decreased to 70 / 115 / 160 / 205 / 250 from 80 / 130 / 180 / 230 / 280. > Ability power ratio **increased **to (+85% AP) from (+75% AP).

> Summon Tibbers > Base damage decreased to 175 / 300 / 425 from 200 / 325 / 450. > Ability power ratio **increased **to (+80% AP) from (+70% AP). >

while Morgana got nerfed as a support and what's more important in this case, as an AP and for no real reason, she wasn't extremely popular as an AP and still got and is about to get nerfed.

> Black Shield > Base shield health reduced to 70/140/210/280/350 from 95/160/225/290/355.

> Soul Shackles > Base magic damage reduced to 150/225/300 from 175/250/325. > Total possible magic damage per target reduced to 300/450/600 from 350/500/650.

> PBE: Tormented Soil > Damage changed to 80/160/240/320/400 from 120/190/260/330/400 (full damage for 5sec, which never happens unless on still minions or cc chained targets)

...why treat them differently? this isn't about their support positions that you thought needed nerfs, I'm fine with that but why does only AP morg suffer from this?

Why is W nerf a bad thing?

Can't clear casters at rank 3 W anymore : one of her strengths, the clearing isn't instant and with a regular AP rune page and masteries it takes exactly 5 sec to kill them so it's not overpowered, other champions like lux and ziggs do it with their rank 5 E/Q instant spells with much lower cd.

Sustain nerfed: her passive and W are what keep her going early game, well not anymore. You are also indirectly nerfing her passive with all these damage nerfs...

Hurts AP Morgana the most: does riot really think this will stop support Morgana? you just nerfed lvl 1 to 9 of AP Morgana that maxes W first without making up for it by increasing the AP ratios...

Dear riot balance team, please revert this unneeded uncalled for PBE nerf and buff her AP ratios.

11 Comments

Lugg1 votes

Well said sir, well said.

killd0zer1 votes

Anytime someone tries to make a moral appeal of "fairness" I just picture a 13 year old legitimately crying over fucking video game nerfs.

La9wa3 votes

So we should accept every nerf even if it's unreasonable? What's wrong with making a legit complaint about unneeded and unfair nerfs...

Inphernal1 votes

"please revert this unneeded uncalled for PBE nerf and buff her AP ratios." "unneeded uncalled for PBE nerf" "PBE nerf" "PBE"

huh.

La9wa1 votes

Most of these happen, if not they are reverted in PBE. Either way that's the point of this thread.

Inphernal1 votes

that was my point

La9wa1 votes

My point is that now is the best time to ask for them ro revert it before it actually hits the live server. Just because it's on PBE and may or not happen, if you wait for the patch notes then request the revert, it will most likely not happen. And like I said, most of these do happen, if not they are reverted as soon as possible on PBE. There have been a couple of updates after the morgana nerf pbe update which by experience already tells me it's going live.

LifeCyclesTWA1 votes

If it actually passes through PBE, which if it does I'll be surprised, then it may because he prevalence as a top champion too. She packs so much utility in her kit.

La9wa1 votes

Afaik she was only played top by a few players and didn't see any outstanding success, I mean compare her to lissandra top back then. Only trace from Jin Air used to pick her up which inspired very few players to do the same in other regions, it wasn't particularly strong.

Rand0mH3r0X1 votes

Because people ask for it.

Annie also has her AA range reduced. Usually, her AA would allow her to cast-stun, AA, Cast, Cast, AA. Now if she wants to AA she has to move in closer consuming valuable time and closing the gap between her and her killer.

La9wa1 votes

575 range is still good enough to harrass most champions. I don't see what you mean with people asked for it, asked for what and when?

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