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Vayne is now at a 53% winrate 26% playrate 60% winrate on mains

InsaneBardPlayer··83 votes·19,693 views

Its mind boggling that this hasnt been hotfixed yet. Its absolutely insane that people spend so much time complaining about riven (which I agree is undeniably an overpowered champion) when ACTUAL STAT CHECK champions are running around right clicking people in 2 seconds while being untargetable.

Look at Jinx . Jinx is now at a fucking 55% winrate 16% playrate. I guess low skill stat check right clickers are allowed to be overpowered for extended periods of time? Every single time theres a vayne or jinx on the enemy team right now, I feel an immediate flashback to season 7 ardent censor meta. Having either of these champions on the enemy team is one of the worst gameplay experiences in league, you have to PRAY your bot lane doesnt lose. The game becomes a coinflip on better bot lane wins. Because if your bot lane loses with either of these champions on the enemy team, you just lose the game. "Jinx is 3-0 at 8 mins I guess we just lose the game now.... I guess...." OR if you have a vayne or jinx on YOUR team and they win their lane hard. You can literally troll, afk to grab some good, do w/e and you will just win with the stat-checked right clicker on your team.

Whenever a mid laner like cassio or aurelion sol reach a 53 or 55% winrate, they get patched fairly quickly. If thresh (lets be honest, regardless of frustration he does take skill) is over the top he gets nerfed in a patch or two. Yorick/Galio will get multiple nerfs when they are overpowered and being picked alot.

Why are some champions given leeway to be allowed to be overpowered for extended periods of time while others are addressed immediately? Is it because they have really large fanbases and are popular champs that bring in money? Is it because a particular rioter on the balance team mains jinx? (Riot August) could there be a Rioter on the playtest team who mains yasuo as well (Blaustoise)? Explains alot of things I feel.

Winrates/playrates taken from lolalytics because it uses the largest sample size. But you can check the korea only site op.gg for similar stats. Vayne and Jinx both ranked at tier 1 with 52% winrates despite being played alot.

EDIT: I was recently informed that "RiotJag" mains vayne LOOOOOOL. So Blaustoise = yasuo , August = jinx , RiotJag = vayne. I wonder why these champions are allowed to be so strong for so long?

88 Comments

Metal Janna24 votes

Thresh was OP for months after Riot needlessly buffed his hook cooldown twice right before Worlds. It took until this very patch for him to receive a nerf, and they didn't even revert the buffs. They hit somewhere else like they're afraid to admit the buffs were unnecessary.

Minimac20004 votes

I think his w cooldown was really what made him OP, they halved his lantern CD before world too for literally no reason and made him 10x as good as tahm kench ever was

BALDG1VEN BOOMER3 votes

Thresh is still broken tier until they revert that disgusting E buff, but Riot won’t as they think those pathetic Q nerfs where were his power was.

Shiroe Okazaki21 votes

ADC is riots baby. they cant nerf the campions. then how will they be the most meaning full role and the only players that matter?

Sir Saltarin2 votes

ADCs are never nerfed.

Subscribe.

Bouwer4 votes

Playing adc isn't really a party though. Almost any champ in the game can do half your hp with like 1-2 attacks or spells. And you won't have GA until late, PD was needed.

But hey, winrates mean everything right.

Shiroe Okazaki5 votes

honestly. to me adc is an easy role. Its held back by everything that the other roles are held back with. just bad teams. When riot finally nerfs mages adc will be op again. Their already really strong right now. After mage nerfs (if it ever happens) the only thing that can stop an adc is a tank. But if they get 1 pen item. Not even them can stop an adc. Maybe a zed can. Unless the adc has a dahs. like vayne. or xayah r. or trist w. or luc e. or cait net thingy. or kaisa e or r.

Ahris4 votes

How are mages strong???? Ever since so many mage item and rune nerfs, they are pretty weak now.

Shiroe Okazaki1 votes

pretty much ALL of them can 1 shot you right now. on a low cooldown. early into the game. while having cc abilities as well. some having aoe one shot.

floo1 votes

Yea, try to dodge a Zed or Kayn ult with Cait, Lucian or Kai'Sa E. Gl. For that matter, why not include Rengar or Shaco?

Shiroe Okazaki1 votes

As playing a lot of adc recently i can say. Kayn and rengar CANNOT be dodged. so fair point

floo4 votes

Rengar's ult auto is still one of the most brainless things ever added to this game. Can't flash Can't dodge the 1k damage Getting slowed by Duskblade Getting crit if his mark is on you

LTK KoRo2 votes

nah, there are more brainless things

Vayne item 3153 item 3124 item 3046 item 3022 <---- this is brainless

floo1 votes

"One of the most" doesn't exclude S tier forced op champs.

Håneri1 votes

tanks being strong makes adcs stronger... adc is stronger when fighting front to back in a controlled teamfight, and is usually shit when its just everyone for themselves since theyll just get smashed by a riven or some similar champion. tanks make the frontline

and anyways, riot does nerfs and buffs of all kinds to keep people happy, not just adc mains, not even because theyre necessary

Mordepool20 votes

A stat check is when 2 champions see who has more stats when standing next to each other. Vayne is a one sided stat check. I honestly just Ban her every game she isn't hovered ( since if she is on my team its a free win)

Nipsahoy1 votes

{quoted}

A stat check is when 2 champions see who has more stats when standing next to each other. Vayne is a one sided stat check. I honestly just Ban her every game she isn't hovered ( since if she is on my team its a free win)

Free win for a champ that only wins half the time.

astralwit18 votes

The 60% win rate on mains isn't really unusual. 53% win rate with 26% play rate is pretty bonkers though and shows she's not just used as a counterpick to tanks or certain matchups.

SpecterVonBaren2 votes

I saw that 60% winrate and actually thought, "Wow, that's actually pretty low for mains."

ProfDrDeath4 votes

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champions/

It actually isn't. At the time of writing this, Vayne is in 5th position when ranking all champions for their best winrates, beaten out only by Rek'Sai (who is also OP), Nunu (who gets nerfed on 9.5), Jax (who'll get hit by Conqueror a bit and hopefully gets his own nerfs soon) and Sylas (who might have been overbuffed since his release).

Ahris2 votes

53% winrate on a tank destroyer(in bruiser meta) with high skillcap and lategame scaling IS BROKEN

FireDrizzle15 votes

Maybe people have given up asking for adcs too get actual nerfs? Trist and Twitch werent nerfed out of s+ tier from being op in season 7, just the meta changed and i just need too say... Lucian.

Ahris2 votes

He just gets a W nerf on an already useless ability. Maybe it was OP, but the way Riot nerfs ADC is always very easily.

On My Kill List1 votes

{quoted}

Maybe people have given up asking for adcs too get actual nerfs? Trist and Twitch werent nerfed out of s+ tier from being op in season 7, just the meta changed and i just need too say... Lucian.

trist is the most item reliant adc and was hugely indirectly nerfed with all the crit reworks. twitch also suffers from the same fate and also had many of his counters nerfed during that time. while vayne is incredibly overbearing right now in a meta she shouldn't even be good in.

AwImToxic9 votes

at least jinx can be blown up vayne is straight up cancer

Flawless Fetus4 votes

Yup. Whether we like it or not, the counterplay to adcs is kill them. That's why the ardent meta was so aids - they couldn't die. Hard to kill a ranged champ that can tumble and go invis almost every aa. Lol.

Daddy Ants8 votes

First off

Riot August is not on the balance team... He's on the champion design team... completely different teams.

 

As someone who plays Vayne and Jinx let me pitch in some REASONABLE AND UNBIASED ideas as to how we can make these champions a little less OP without obliterating them

 

Vayne "Tumble cooldown now reduced by 50% during Final Hour"

  • Make it scale with ultimate rank ( 10 / 30 / 50% at 6 / 11 / 16). This buff was intended to strengthen Vayne as a late game demon. My proposition would enforce that.

As AzuBK said on Reddit. "Vayne needed a buff, so she got one".

50% at all ranks is a bit too heavy handed, making it scale through the game will keep it as a "late game buff" as it was intended.

 

Jinx

Let's be real here, She's had nothing but buff after buff after buff since 8.11.

"The bonus damage from Fishbones can now critically strike"

This was probably the biggest buff, especially with how she can now rush Infinity Edge.

 

I propose the following for Jinx

  • The bonus damage from Fishbones can no longer critically strike

 

As I said, I play both champions (540k Mastery Jinx, 1.2 million Vayne) and I acknowledge they are too strong.

Vlada Cut12 votes

{quoted} As AzuBK said on Reddit. "Vayne needed a buff, so she got one".

50% at all ranks is a bit too heavy handed, making it scale through the game will keep it as a "late game buff" as it was intended.

As I said, I play both champions (540k Mastery Jinx, 1.2 million Vayne) and I acknowledge they are too strong.

Vayne's Tumble 50% CDR from R needs to be removed completely. Is not even a late game buff but for the entire game. Stupidest thing I've seen this year.

Jinx recieving buffs only for a whole yesr is absolutely disgusting, cause they ain't small buffs either.

FOR JUSTICE8 votes

hasnt been hotfixed because firecracker vayne is still on sale, wait for the event to end.

garuntee within 1-2 patches she'll be nerfed.

C0ldbl00ded2 votes

Was thinking the same thing ^

Paquay8 votes

So it’s a statistical anomaly that the 47% are always on my team? :P

I memba balance 6 votes

yeah except i'd much rather play against a Jinx than a Vayne. At least Jinx relies heavily on her team peeling and setting her up for resets until she gets about 3 items. Vayne has bullshit levels of self peel with her Condemn and her stupid ass buffed Q CD on ult now where she is invisible so god damn often.

Trias0005 votes

Rito be like https://i.imgflip.com/2v2ftv.jpg

Hammermancer3 votes

you're gonna regret complaining about AD solo laners when they finally nerf assassins and bruisers and adcs are just running around with 2 tanks, a support and a cc mage to protect them as they right click your team to death

and you're forced to play ornn every game

LTK KoRo4 votes

outside of "you're forced to play ornn every game" this is happening now. Bruisers outside of riven and jax suck balls, jungle carries need to be like 8/0 do actually carry. During last two patches i realized that damage junglers are too high risk for little to no reward and now im sticking to seju and gragas only

I guess instead of practicing lee i'll have to practice ivern :/

Ahris3 votes

Riot needs to nerf their lategame if they want to keep the current adc power in the midgame. Adc practically has no weakness at any point in game now.

LatoyaFromTheBX2 votes

i pointed this out months ago and i got downvoted to oblivion Lmfao

INoble KnightI2 votes

I remember after the Singed passive rework his winrate spiked to like 54% cause his mains and one tricks were wrecking people and he was hotfixed nerfed a day later. Like his pick rate was still still stupidly low and he still got hotfixed that fast. But you see these fucking champs like Riven, Vayne, Jinx, and God knows who else just going months without a single nerf. Since then Singed had most of his nerfs reverted but he's shit since his items/runes have been constantly nerfed while the AD champs just get buffs.

Thilmer1 votes

{quoted}

Look at Jinx . Jinx is now at a fucking 55% winrate 16% playrate. I guess low skill stat check right clickers are allowed to be overpowered for extended periods of time?

And on top of that, some of them are considered "high skill", while some of us are here actually playing champions with skillshots, low mobility, and so on.

Laughable.

Nipsahoy1 votes

{quoted}

And on top of that, some of them are considered "high skill", while some of us are here actually playing champions with skillshots, low mobility, and so on.

Laughable.

You realise Jinx is low mobility and has 3 skill shot abilities right?

Critmaster Garen2 votes

{quoted}

You realise Jinx is low mobility and has 3 skill shot abilities right?

how impactful are those skillshot abilities when she has a lulu sitting next to her and 99% of her damage comes from her auto attacks?

just because she has them, doesnt mean shes reliant on them. jinx isnt hard to play.

Paroe1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BV2iqRVB,comment-id=001700000000,timestamp=2019-03-04T14:52:57.709+0000)

how impactful are those skillshot abilities when she has a lulu sitting next to her and 99% of her damage comes from her auto attacks?

just because she has them, doesnt mean shes reliant on them. jinx isnt hard to play.

Most of the skill in jinx - and most marksmen, honestly - comes from using their powerful CC and utility abilities properly. Because marksmen have some of the best self-peel in the game.

Ryze on Roids

Vayne isnt broken tho

ApexInTheCircle2 votes

[{quoted}](name=A KhaZix Abuser ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BV2iqRVB,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2019-03-03T00:20:26.176+0000)

Vayne isnt broken tho

You're right, she isn't just broken. She's wildly out of fucking control.

Ryze on Roids1 votes

{quoted}

You're right, she isn't just broken. She's wildly out of fucking control.

??? She legit isn't broken lol. KhaZix easily beats her at every stage of the game except maybe both full build.

ApexInTheCircle1 votes

[{quoted}](name=A KhaZix Abuser ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BV2iqRVB,comment-id=000d00000000,timestamp=2019-03-05T16:48:44.117+0000)

??? She legit isn't broken lol. KhaZix easily beats her at every stage of the game except maybe both full build.

You have one specific champion that is notorious for his ability to one shot people....One shotting someone, under very certain circumstances, if she's alone and has 0 ward coverage so she cant preemptively ult and blast you out of existence. For an ADC she has waaaaay to many build in fail safes for the sheer amount of damage and destructive force she brings to the table.

I've said it for awhile now, but her condemn needs to be a skillshot, and in return for it being a skill shot allow her to condemn champions together for a double stun. Actually give the bitch some counterplay and skill.

Ryze on Roids1 votes

{quoted}

You have one specific champion that is notorious for his ability to one shot people....One shotting someone, under very certain circumstances, if she's alone and has 0 ward coverage so she cant preemptively ult and blast you out of existence. For an ADC she has waaaaay to many build in fail safes for the sheer amount of damage and destructive force she brings to the table.

I've said it for awhile now, but her condemn needs to be a skillshot, and in return for it being a skill shot allow her to condemn champions together for a double stun. Actually give the bitch some counterplay and skill.

It doesn't matter to me, I'm a one trick so as long as I win against her the champ isn't broken. If you're looking for a champ that's really broken look at any tank.

Iota Theta1 votes

[{quoted}](name=A KhaZix Abuser ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BV2iqRVB,comment-id=000d0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-06T14:42:34.278+0000)

It doesn't matter to me, I'm a one trick so as long as I win against her the champ isn't broken. If you're looking for a champ that's really broken look at any tank.

An assassin one-trick, calling a tank, their counter and most having lower win and pickrates, broken. Ha.

Ryze on Roids1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Iota Theta,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BV2iqRVB,comment-id=000d00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-06T15:07:51.455+0000)

An assassin one-trick, calling a tank, their counter and most having lower win and pickrates, broken. Ha.

they are. Any champion who is hard to kill outside of the utility of their kits should be considered broken

Iota Theta1 votes

[{quoted}](name=A KhaZix Abuser ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BV2iqRVB,comment-id=000d000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-06T19:03:04.140+0000)

they are. Any champion who is hard to kill outside of the utility of their kits should be considered broken

So a champ that is hard to kill because they bought defensive items is broken? I guess every champ that buys GA and the entire fighter class are broken as well, by your standards. Means you can’t even build GA, right?

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