LS Rants About How Midlane is now the Worst Lane and will become slaves to serve ADCs

InsaneBardPlayer··28 votes·9,986 views

He starts going on about it at about 24:08 and I linked the video at that time.

He essentially says that after all the brutal nerfing to ANY mid lane champ that even thinks about showing up in the meta, its gotten to the point where "no mid laners really deal any damage anymore" compared to ADC. He believes champions like orianna, karma, liss or lulu may start showing up mid just to stat check protect the crit ADC (the 1v9 damage dealer) and how the new PD has completely nullified any hope for assassins (on a personal note, if you think about BT shield + PD + overshield rune + GA how disgusting + the support shielding returning, how disgusting). He also talks about how so many champions are so incredibly bad compared to the "good" champions and how mid lane has none of them. Talks about how league always goes through this cycle of how mid and jungle start sucking and top is just top and the entire game just becomes crit ADCs and their protection from other roles. He called the ADC changes "a bomb" into the game and defines "a bomb" as something that is overtuned and doesnt get hotfixed and just thrown into the game unchecked which proceeds to "warp the meta" around it, he does state bombs are interesting.

He goes on about it for like 10 mins , I suggest everyone check it out, its very eye-opening. I do find it odd that anytime a champion becomes interesting or popular in the mid lane, its instantly nerfed. But ADC mains who continue this repeating cycle of demanding buffs have normalized the game's climate/culture to expect ADCs to be running around as the most important member of the team as the "norm" where as whenever a mid lane champ becomes the most important character on the team its insta nerfed. I do agree with him on midlaners dealing no dmg anymore, why land your abilities to deal like 500-600 dmg when a vayne or something can just stand and auto attack for 800-900 Qs or 500 phys+500 true dmg hits coming at very high sustained unavoidable dps.

A good example is how zed (a champion that people generally dont like to deal with and a champion that is often regarded to have really high damage) will often have his ult pop for 800-1200 dmg which is alot but when you realize draven can literally auto once with an axe and the new IE shiv BT LW conqueror etc for nearly that amount or when vayne can press Q , proc the 3 hit true dmg, and get a crit to do what like 1200 dmg? Its pretty insane. When riot initially reworked IE , they also changed up Cait's headshot and buffed it significantly to make up for the loss of crit multi on IE , which cait's headshot had a unique interaction with. Now they have reintroduced the old IE and cait's headshot is still left as it is. The end result is seeing leblancs lose 70% of their hp if they step on a trap to late game caitlyn. Is that fair? especially when traps can be placed underneath you when you are hard cc'd by like a sej or something.

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OtterlyLost19 votes

Brutal nerfs? They haven't touched any midlane champions aside from Irelia, Aatrox, and Akali. Two of these everyone was begging them to get out of mid and the other its universally agreed on needed work. Cassio was nerfed but because she was strong in not one, not two, but three lanes. And if they nerf Karthus it's for the the fact that jungle karthus right now is absurd and uninteractive. Hey, you dont know how to jungle? Play karthus and farm all game and just press R to gank every lane at once. All while scaling into a monster.

They haven't nerfed or touched any midlaners at all. All they did was fix ADC itemization. Which, by the way, ADCs are still nerfed. Their items are still weaker than before, they still have the nerfs to all of their runes, enchanters are still weak, their base stats are still nerfed.

Kugimiya1 votes

All they should have done was buff some other midlanders!

AlienPrimate8 votes

What about instead of buffs on buffs on buffs on buffs we see some nerfs. Cait is doing 1200 damage with an auto attack? Let's not buff Zed to do 1200 damage with his Q. Nerf Cait instead.

Secretly a Phos1 votes

Thank you! Half the issue is that instead of nerfing all the insanely op champions they make stronger champions, so then insane powercreep makes anyone that isn't a huge issue irrelevant.

Noor Sakata5 votes

You know that ad items got buffed Other classes become weaker by default.

taleofsonata1 votes

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Brutal nerfs? They haven't touched any midlane champions aside from Irelia, Aatrox, and Akali. Two of these everyone was begging them to get out of mid and the other its universally agreed on needed work. Cassio was nerfed but because she was strong in not one, not two, but three lanes. And if they nerf Karthus it's for the the fact that jungle karthus right now is absurd and uninteractive. Hey, you dont know how to jungle? Play karthus and farm all game and just press R to gank every lane at once. All while scaling into a monster.

They haven't nerfed or touched any midlaners at all. All they did was fix ADC itemization. Which, by the way, ADCs are still nerfed. Their items are still weaker than before, they still have the nerfs to all of their runes, enchanters are still weak, their base stats are still nerfed.

Look at Syndra, orianna, Ziggs, etc. Base damage on their abilitie before its very weak compared to a crit from an ADC.

boricCentaur118 votes

Ummmmmm why is this getting up votes??? Like I thought people wanted damage to go down he fucking says in the video he wants zoe bufffs and also to buff her counters like he wants damage to go up I thought the majority of people wanted damage to go down here, I feel like some people being hypocrites right now cough cough mid lane mains, also I personally do really like the style of balance but most people will hate it.

Also a very disingenuous title he was talking about pro play not normal soloQ that is why he talks about protect the adc comps since it is about pro play he mostly talks about pro in general though out the video like this probably is better in esports and not gameplay.

Ttiamus3 votes

I may be off the mark here a little bit. I agree that burst damage is in a crazy state at the moment. Unless the champ is specifically designed to one shot something, I don't feel that is appropriate. The problem comes in with this wave balancing. Riot has been taking short passes at things that are too strong, which is typically a good thing. I personally feel that things that are under performing now, may be fine once everything else is tuned down to the same level... Until then it feels really bad. I'm not sure if there's a better way to get to the damage point they want.

Specifically around mid the meta has shaken more around burst tanks and long range poke/safety. This doesn't leave much room for the mid range control mages, assassins, or things that need to scale in the game. I think these roles have been nerfed over time, but as other things have risen up, they haven't been addressed due to not wanting to "increase damage in the game." That's where I get frustrated as a mid main.

PrinceOfStorms11 votes

Riot really needs to revert the ADC changes, and take out marksmen kneecaps on top of it. When ADCs feel fun and impactful, every other role warps around them and the meta becomes "protect the ADC" which isn't fun for at least 3 other players who play a role that shouldn't have to babysit the ADC.

This game is at its most fun for 8/10 players when marksmen are total meme picks.

GayFluffyUnicorn13 votes

Because and i believe that to be true adcs aren't fun as champions i don't buy that bullshit. They only love that fantasy of taking someones entire HP bar in two auto attacks otherwise they wouldn't start melting down reddit whenever they CANNOT do that and that basically just comes to the bad design of ADCs in general.

Like do i love kled's brutal all in? Yes but it is still satisfying to go back and forth hitting my Q following my enemy to let it snap back just for poke or get that Q in for an all in and still get him when he flashes. There is so much that is fun and satisfying about that champ.

Same reason i still play GP even when he is absolute dogshit because i love that character and there is so many things fun about him even when he doesn'T even barrel oneshot anymore.

Then there is adcs and all you can hope for is rightclick someone for 1/3 of their hp bar and that is pretty much all the excitement. Atleast when we are talking about the typical crit ADCs. Varus, ashe, ezreal are champs and even jhin who have more around their kit that make them fun to play even if they don't rightclick really hard.

But twitch, draven, caitlyn, jinx, tristana. What do they bring in excitement? Throw a W on someone as twitch and slow them abit. Is that exciting? Caitlyn? Wow i autowon laning phase because i picked caitlyn yeeeee. Draven's entire existing is "i rightclick really hard". Jinx maybe has her resets in teamfights i think? Or hitting her ult okay, i guess?

And the worst thing is as u mentioned that the entire rift has to bow down whenever adcs are strong. 8/10 players have to play around one player. Like seriously i stopped entirely season 7 half way in due to the adc bullshit and despite all the bitching about tanks and other shit i did i kept playing last and this season. If the ADC and nothing else shit returns im out again. There is nothing fun about that. And im actually so fuckin salty a champ like aatrox gets taken away to replace him with boris cuz "statcheck", "balance nightmare", "only rightclicks" when adcs have been a balance nightmare forever. ADC overhaul s4,6, s7 buffs ardent, s8 rework, s9 rework of the rework.

And everytime it's all or nothing on adcs. Never satisfied with being still mostly mandatory but not batshit broken 1v9 every game. Yet we rework aatrox despite adcs doing all that and being worse because the ENTIRE GAME warps around them.

PrinceOfStorms1 votes

The only way I could see balancing ADCs right now is to make ranged autoattacks into linear skillshots that stop on the first intervening target.

Champions should have to choose two between having high damage, survivability, and having consistent damage. If ADCs have consistent high damage they should be far, far more squishy than they are, such that they can't kill a minion wave on their own.

Nevrankroaton8 votes

Yup, a mage whining topic in the gameplay board + hating on ADC.

Good job for the upvote farm.

And if you wonder why I am not talking about LS video:

  1. It is LS, not the person I will follow the most in term of opinion. Like I will dominate with jungle or hashindumb with toplane.
  2. IE is still nerfed, ER is still expensive and not with tons of AD, Stormrazor is linked to stattik/RFC to properly be strong. Zeal items are still nerfed and more expensive than before the first crit item rework.
  3. We litterally don't know which ADC will rise atm, people think lucian/ezreal are still too strong, some people think Tristana is going to comeback in lane, etc etc. So we don't know what is strong and therefore how the game pace/strategy will do so far. Hell, KALISTA is coming back a little!
  4. ADC were litterally in a bad spot in the game... Lucian/Ezreal dominating is because they have different build than crit and spike at one or two item very well (very good for the meta).

So in conclusion?

We still don't know, ADC were in a bad state and needed change, the itemisation is still nerf compared to before the first crit rework.

I do agree that PD is to be closely monitored.

Serika Zero5 votes

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Yup, a mage whining topic in the gameplay board + hating on ADC.

Good job for the upvote farm.

And if you wonder why I am not talking about LS video:

  1. It is LS, not the person I will follow the most in term of opinion. Like I will dominate with jungle or hashindumb with toplane.

  2. IE is still nerfed, ER is still expensive and not with tons of AD, Stormrazor is linked to stattik/RFC to properly be strong. Zeal items are still nerfed and more expensive than before the first crit item rework.

  3. We litterally don't know which ADC will rise atm, people think lucian/ezreal are still too strong, some people think Tristana is going to comeback in lane, etc etc. So we don't know what is strong and therefore how the game pace/strategy will do so far. Hell, KALISTA is coming back a little!

  4. ADC were litterally in a bad spot in the game... Lucian/Ezreal dominating is because they have different build than crit and spike at one or two item very well (very good for the meta).

So in conclusion?

We still don't know, ADC were in a bad state and needed change, the itemisation is still nerf compared to before the first crit rework.

I do agree that PD is to be closely monitored.

Whenever Tristana is meta, the game is garbage. people complain about vayne being meta as a problem, meh at least she's still medium range adc and you can drop your stuff on her quite easy.

Then there's Tristana, the bitch that has a reset on her gapcloser like a Katarina. But unlike kata, has the biggest AA range in the game excluding w active kog or ulting twich. But those two pale in comparison with Tristana mobility wise.

From all adcs, I hate Tristana the most.

Kugimiya3 votes

Good you can drop your entire combo as a feed lb on vayne to bad you don't even do half her hp when she has, the heal rune that gives a shield+Lulu+an ivern jungle and a karma/Lulu/Orianna mid. And I you catch her alone you still can't kill her cause invisibility ever second and even if you hit her phantom dancer and you ain't killing her anytime soon, wait let's also remind you that she deals dmg equal to lb entire burst (20sec ish cd) as DPS.

Serika Zero2 votes

Not really, last time I checked, lb will reveal stealth with e. So she shouldn't go invisible if you play lb well.

This comes from an eve and Diana player that now is learning talon. vayne is more ok to face than tristana

LTK KoRo1 votes

Tbh right now every adc is bullshit with PD+enchanter, even Ashe or Varus.

In my first 4 games in this patch (i played only 5 and i forgot what was on botlane during the last one) there were 8 enchanters. Both support were playing these fucking cockblockers in every game. I guess im back on Sejuani duty again, since there's no way for me to kill ADC with their shields back and my exp being gutted

Done252 votes

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Whenever Tristana is meta, the game is garbage. people complain about vayne being meta as a problem, meh at least she's still medium range adc and you can drop your stuff on her quite easy.

Then there's Tristana, the bitch that has a reset on her gapcloser like a Katarina. But unlike kata, has the biggest AA range in the game excluding w active kog or ulting twich. But those two pale in comparison with Tristana mobility wise.

From all adcs, I hate Tristana the most.

Don't forget her resetting leap also has a 1~3 second 60% slow on it.

Serika Zero2 votes

and lets not forget "OMG TRISTANA BUFFERED HER JUMP" and the CC she was "hit" by ended in the jump duration. whenever tristana is meta, the game is in a shitty state tsk.

at least casters (lcs or whatever) get wet dreams about her.

Flawless Fetus6 votes

Zed's a bad example. Sure, people don't like laning vs him but he's far from strong. Only reason to pick Zed is you like Zed. His damage is backloaded and he has not been a reliable assassin for a long time.

There are a few things mids, generally, have over adcs. Aoe, utility, and burst. Adcs have great single target damage, but Annie (who isn't even that strong of a mid right now) can burst an adc near instantly while cc'ing and heavily damaging the remainder of the enemy team.

Also, no dominant mid champs got nerfed except for the two everyone bitched about - Akali and irelia. Granted, Cass got nerfed as well, but that was bc of her dominance in other lanes.

Are we about to enter a meta where adcs are overbearing? Maybe. Is it only going to happen if "real" supports resurge in popularity? Probably. Are mids going to be rendered useless because crit adcs make a come back? I doubt it.

ModCaptainMårvelous5 votes

Quick reference but for those who disagree with LS: Keep in mind his entire patch notes/ideas almost always center around pro play before PUG play. If LS has a major complaint, it's usually about the pro-tier balance of the game. Hence why some things that would be complete meta shifts for PUG play are something he considers garbage for pro play.

DuskDaUmbreon4 votes

its gotten to the point where "no mid laners really deal any damage anymore" compared to ADC

Lmfao what.

When's the last time you've actually seen an ADC out-damage a mid that the ADC wasn't almost in triple digit kills?

Kugimiya5 votes

Every single game I play ADC

DuskDaUmbreon3 votes

No, that's when the Soraka out-damages the ADC.

BestPudgeNA4 votes

Well at least Irelia still has disarm on her R. He's a coach btw.

Ralik0984 votes

LS is such a fraud, I don't know why this community listens to anything he says.

Atmosphere2 votes

He's loud, and monkeys follow the loudest monkey as their alpha.

Abibyama II3 votes

Don't nerf strong champs, buff the counters ~LS

But then it leads to powah creep.

Moody P6 votes

Buff bruisers and only bruisers

Abibyama II7 votes

nerf mages

LTK KoRo3 votes

buff bruisers and nerf adcs

Kugimiya2 votes

Not rly, all you have to do is buff them untill the point that they actually do counter and are effective at doing what they should, that's how you achieve balance not powah creep

Abibyama II1 votes

You're right. I made comment about how the community here would react, I get the vibe they only wants nerfs and the moment Riot Records buffs a weak champion they yell POWAH CREEEEP.

What would have happened if they buffed Orianna or Viktor mid instead of nerfing Lissandra?

5StackUltOneShot3 votes

Meanwhile, us toplane bruiser/tank mains just waiting around... for something to happen to us.

Any mage or adc that becomes a meta pick top (like tank Viktor, Cassiopeia Ryze Vayne Lucian ) Basically makes us gtfo from our own lane until two weeks later when said champions are nerfed and go waddle back to bot/mid lane

Sir Saltarin6 votes

Vayne and Lucian are not meta picks on toplane lmao, and both are there worse than on botlane

LTK KoRo1 votes

They're still good enough to bully melees to oblivion. It's not like we see them every game, but even one game per 20-30 against them is too much vs these. Lane bullies who outscale is a terrible thing to play against

Sir Saltarin1 votes

If Lucian and Vayne were meta on Top trust me that I would be against it as I am against Lucian Mid, Cassio Bot or Viktor Top.

I'm a organized person for Lol, every inch of diversity is an enemy that must be destroyed until everything is perfectly on it's place.

Suddenly what I was writing reminded me a bit to Mr World from American Gods, even if you dont want to see the serie check this scene because it's glorious https://youtu.be/SqEeBCPtvZA

ll Gryphon ll1 votes

To beat any of those, specificially vayne and lucian, stay back and farm. take permafrost as your rune, build righteous glory first, and just go ham on them. Watch foggeds video on it.

Secretly a Phos1 votes

Point being if you don't pick against them you're screwed. Building an item or two against them is fine, but having to change who or what you play to survive lane is a bit much.

ll Gryphon ll1 votes

Sorry just saw this. That is the point of League man. Change who or what you are in the game to react to the game. I mean you are not supposed to have the exact same build or play style every match. Follow Kaisa and adapt bud.

Ralik0981 votes

Riot doesn't care about top lane. They never have and never will. This game is for Mages and ADC mains only.

Tychusfindlay9183 votes

"give A B C D and E more damage and lissandra won't be a problem"

LS is a fucking 10-year old sounding airhead.

THE GAME DOESN'T NEED MORE DAMAGE.

Tobykachu3 votes

LS speaks only from the view of competitive. He would happily sacrifice low elo if it meant pro play remained intact. He speaks about how weak all champions are, then goes on to talk about how it should be a mechanical game where you win due to your own actions as opposed to just playing the best champions in any given role that are simply overpowered. In this video he speaks about how Zoe should be buffed, something Riot would never do, otherwise she will simply go back to being a 90% ban rate, because he simply does not give a sh*t about solo queue players below Challenger.

He loses his mind when things get nerfed because they're strong in low elo/have an extremely high ban rate, despite not being super high priority in competitive or high elo. He seems to completely forget that pro play will only exist so long as people are willing to watch it. If people lose interest in League, then they'll stop watching pro play, meaning the prize pool for competitive will shrink, meaning pros leave the game for a more profitable game.

I think LS is a brilliant coach and his understanding of the game is scarily good at times, but only in the pro scene. He talks about how Lissandra isn't strong, she just gets picked as everything else is so weak, which simply isn't true at all. She is strong because of how safe she is with Aftershock. Point and click stun that damages all enemies around the target/free zhonyas that heals her up, whilst also damages all enemies around her. Not to mention how if she cc's anyone she becomes virtually unkillable for a couple of seconds, whilst dishing out fairly substantial damage to you in return. This new aftershock build simply makes so many immobile champions completely unviable as they can't damage her with the aftershock resistances and if they don't have cleanse/it's on cooldown, they are simply sitting ducks.

Thefrostyviking2 votes

Not sure i entirely agree with everything he says or you wrote OP because pieces of it comes out a bit weird.

He goes into raising how Lucian is only popular and strong because every other marksman sucks compared to him, but he does not mention the fact that any crit itemization ...partial reverts? Nerfed reverts? Are likely to just immediately bring back his main counters and weaken him right away.

I do agree that this will affect the rest of the game though.

Then he goes and calls every midlane champ weak and shit and states that lissandra is only good because no one can kill her when she procs aftershock and the solution to this is to buff her old counters damage.......does he not really realize that if those counters got their damage buffed to the point of breaking through aftershock those counters would be insanely OP and oppressive towards everyone else? Non tank melee and marksmen wouldnt exist at all, no matter what they do, it would a game completely centered around midlane and potentially tanks, mages would probably be picked botlane.

Furthermore any champ that becomes popular in midlane to the point of standing out is usually so because they perform miles ahead of everyone else, like arcane comet cassiopeia for a recent example, when the people playing her were good she did insane amounts of damage, especially combined with the liandry buffs earlier on.

Like sure,it would have been possible to buff her opponents instead but i am fairly sure this would easily result in them being broken as well, like malzahar would have his latest nerfs reverted and then go back to being the nr 1 midlaner due to insane AP ratios combied with a point and click stun that also does high max health AOE damage.

But OP you do raise a good point on the Caitlyn passive but it is worth noting that the current IE only adds 25% bonus crit damage instead of the old 50%, so while Cait will probably end up needing a nerf it wont be that much. .....and we she got those buffs in the first place because she was too damn terrible without them, and even with them she couldnt handle Lucian who was supposed to be easy.

But then you being to compare Zed to lategame marksmen which comes out as odd, like sure Zed has nowhere near the damage of the marksmen at that point......but how can you ignore the fact that Zed with a good ult can basically kill anyone from 6 onwards while most marksmen need like 3 items to even get into the game properly? .....Emphasis on most.

Furthermore what the heck is a LB doing getting caught by a Sejuani? This example is all manners of strange, if a LB gets caught like that for so long that a cait can manage to walk up, place her trap and have it activate before LB gets to move again then that LB has goofed badly.

And given that LB also has the privilege of being able to just instantly crush most marksmen easily before 3-4 items she kinda deserves dying that fast if caught later.

Then this you wrote :

. I do agree with him on midlaners dealing no dmg anymore, why land your abilities to deal like 500-600 dmg when a vayne or something can just stand and auto attack for 800-900 Qs or 500 phys+500 true dmg hits coming at very high sustained unavoidable dps.

Like.......Vayne has to be full build to deal 500-600 per hit with her current build path and a full mage combo by then will deal at least 2000 damage with some exceptions like Xerath who have other things to compensate.

Sure Vayne wins in DPS hands down in a extended fight, but you know if she gets hit by the mage combo she´ll probably die before ever getting into auto attack range.......i wont argue that her true damage DPS rolling isnt bullshit because it is but she is by no means immortal, nor are mages useless.

Jinzo best card2 votes

Agreed, buff every immobile mage (except Ori).

LTK KoRo1 votes

No, instead of that nerf or gut ADCs so game wont be warped around them. Immobile mages aren't weaker than opposition since the "big three" midlaners from last patch got nerfed hard.

ShakeNBakeUK2 votes

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He starts going on about it at about 24:08 and I linked the video at that time.

He essentially says that after all the brutal nerfing to ANY mid lane champ that even thinks about showing up in the meta, its gotten to the point where "no mid laners really deal any damage anymore" compared to ADC. He believes champions like orianna, karma, liss or lulu may start showing up mid just to stat check protect the crit ADC (the 1v9 damage dealer) and how the new PD has completely nullified any hope for assassins (on a personal note, if you think about BT shield + PD + overshield rune + GA how disgusting + the support shielding returning, how disgusting). He also talks about how so many champions are so incredibly bad compared to the "good" champions and how mid lane has none of them. Talks about how league always goes through this cycle of how mid and jungle start sucking and top is just top and the entire game just becomes crit ADCs and their protection from other roles. He called the ADC changes "a bomb" into the game and defines "a bomb" as something that is overtuned and doesnt get hotfixed and just thrown into the game unchecked which proceeds to "warp the meta" around it, he does state bombs are interesting.

He goes on about it for like 10 mins , I suggest everyone check it out, its very eye-opening. I do find it odd that anytime a champion becomes interesting or popular in the mid lane, its instantly nerfed. But ADC mains who continue this repeating cycle of demanding buffs have normalized the game's climate/culture to expect ADCs to be running around as the most important member of the team as the "norm" where as whenever a mid lane champ becomes the most important character on the team its insta nerfed. I do agree with him on midlaners dealing no dmg anymore, why land your abilities to deal like 500-600 dmg when a vayne or something can just stand and auto attack for 800-900 Qs or 500 phys+500 true dmg hits coming at very high sustained unavoidable dps.

A good example is how zed (a champion that people generally dont like to deal with and a champion that is often regarded to have really high damage) will often have his ult pop for 800-1200 dmg which is alot but when you realize draven can literally auto once with an axe and the new IE shiv BT LW conqueror etc for nearly that amount or when vayne can press Q , proc the 3 hit true dmg, and get a crit to do what like 1200 dmg? Its pretty insane. When riot initially reworked IE , they also changed up Cait's headshot and buffed it significantly to make up for the loss of crit multi on IE , which cait's headshot had a unique interaction with. Now they have reintroduced the old IE and cait's headshot is still left as it is. The end result is seeing leblancs lose 70% of their hp if they step on a trap to late game caitlyn. Is that fair? especially when traps can be placed underneath you when you are hard cc'd by like a sej or something.

ADC still are 100% reliant on their team to survive and 100% the weakest champion on the map for first 20mins of the game. Exploit that window if you are so scared of them. ADC has literally been in the dumpster for the last 8+ months. Heaven forbid they can actually be allowed do their role properly now..

Original Sin2 votes

anytime a champion becomes interesting or popular in the mid lane, it's instantly nerfed.

Akali Aatrox and Irelia were not instantly nerfed. Lissandra has not been instantly nerfed. They've all been strong for several months before they were touched.

Atmosphere1 votes

His entire rant was begging for power creep, which shoves the game state into one of "whoever hits their abilities first wins." I have the utmost respect for LS as a coach, but that doesn't mean he knows everything. While buffing champions will solve problems of abuse, such as Lissandra abusing Aftershock, it also shoves those answers into a position of power in and of themselves. Their power won't be limited to dealing with Lissandra, they themselves will take over the meta with their new strength. Following that trend, the answers to those champions get buffed, and so on and so forth. Nerfing what is too strong and saving buffs for those who are blatantly underperforming is how balance should work. There are always going to be strong picks in the meta, but his method of dealing with it just enforces a different, more damage heavy meta rather than going around the issue and nerfing things that need to be tuned down, such as Aftershock making champions nearly unkillable in the early game, in all lanes (Lissandra, Galio, Alistar, Thresh, etc).

Deprecious1 votes

Unpopular opinion, both AP items and ADC items should be nerfed

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