So QSS works on suppresses, but Zed and Fizz are "meaningless" without their ults?

Huge Direwolf·May 11, 2016·15 votes·1,517 views

Patch 6.9 notes:

cleansing a combat debuff wipes the applicator's primary means of fighting you. So, those champs are pressured to snowball before their effects become meaningless, while their opponents are forced into buying QSS even if it's incredibly inefficient to do so.

Can we talk about some champions that are actually more "meaningless" after their ults get cleansed within 0.25 seconds of using them? Frankly, last time I checked, Zed and Fizz do PLENTY of damage WITHOUT their ults. That means they still can perform their role. Are these three champs still relevant in a teamfight without their ults? More so than Zed and Fizz?

And why is it OK for these three champs to lose their ULTIMATES to QSS while its not OK for Zed and Fizz?

19 Comments

TalinisMay 11, 20169 votes

Not sure why you are crying about Fizz ultimate because QSS drops shark like it always does. Nothing destroys it, it just puts it on the ground. Nothing has changed.

LordGeovanniMay 12, 20161 votes

Not even sivir's E spell shield which is curious seeing as Zilean's Q works the same way but spell sheilds destroy Zillean's Q instead of just dropping it.

DrCyanideMay 11, 20167 votes

You can root Urgot to stop his ultimate...

(PS: you forgot Malzahar )

Karma DeifiedMay 11, 20162 votes

Malzahar isn't and wasn't reliant on his ultimate.

Well maybe he's a bit reliant on it now.

Soldier of 4JhinMay 11, 20162 votes

He did a lot of damage before with his space aids before his rework but now he isnt reliant on landing his full combo with flash just to kill you. Now all he has to do is flash R.

Karma DeifiedMay 11, 20161 votes

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reliant on landing his full combo with flash

Assassin Malz was a trashy playstyle.

PsyturkeyMay 12, 20162 votes

As a (former) Malz main this is true. His individual spells used to be so powerful that, come team fights usually you'd save your ult for a last resort type situation unless you could safely guarantee one of their carries died without any risk to your team.

The only time his ult was important enough to QSS was laning phase, and if your enemy rushed a QSS, you basically had a free lane.

Soldier of 4JhinMay 12, 20162 votes

Agreed nice name btw

Karma DeifiedMay 12, 20161 votes

Ty, back at you, fellow Khada.

SaltyKrackaMay 11, 20166 votes

Urgot does all of his damage without his ult, so he's not really much of an example.

Papa SlothyMay 11, 20161 votes

same with skarner

A little PeepoMay 11, 20163 votes

Because it's zed that's why. The only assassin who has remained relevant every season

QuephaMay 11, 20162 votes

I'm pretty sure QSS still works the same way on Fizz ult since the effect that makes the fish sticks to you also slows you.

Zed actually does lose a ton of burst potential without his mark.

CoolKnightSTMay 11, 20161 votes

What they could do is revert some of the cooldown nerfs they originally did to them. But to be honnest that cooldowns are fairly ballanced now so it's will not a good idea to change them. However they could buff something else to compensate for this nerf:

Hunters Call cooldown reduced to 22 / 20 / 18 / 16 / 14
Impale (actually the only one of the 3 that actualy deserves this): cooldown reduced to 110 / 90 / 70 (that's similar as ww)
Terror Capacitor cooldown reduced by 2 seconds

agbudarMay 11, 20161 votes

LCS PLAYS period

PennsMay 11, 20161 votes

At least these champs still have counterplay outside of one specific item.

ll League God llMay 12, 20161 votes

you are one of those people who thinks you should be able to 100-0 people with anyone

WWs ult is better used in the middle of a fight or to stop people fleeing, than what most players do which is engage with it... its a terrible use of his ult. period.

Urgot shouldnt be ulting when an enemy with QSS has it up which leaves me to believe you are either trying to 1v1 someone ( why would you 1v1 someone in a team game?) or you dont know how to bait the QSS. Dropping his slow on an enemy can leave them paniced and burn their QSS. His ult is a STRATEGIC PLACEMENT ULT aka use it when your team can best make use of it

and again just like WW, skarner should be waiting for optimal times to use his ult, not just engage right away with it.

Mostly only ADCs get QSS / schimitar... occassionally bruisers do too... how about you change up your target? remove a tank from the fight for 2-3 seconds so your team can dive the back line hard?

Change your play style, not the items / ults

LordGeovanniMay 12, 20161 votes

shh you will wake riots baby assassin love children